>> we don't know yet whether there is consciousness of guilt but certainly the smoke of that. what our reporting shows was that long after the president had decided and ordered mulva y mulvaney, the chief of staff to hold on the block and make sure it does not get to ukraine even though ukraine was in decembspe need of it and congress tho authorized and sending the money earlier. after the white house is alerted to anonymous cia complaint about how the president is interacting with ukraine. after the white house was alerted to that, they start having a series of changes between mulvaney office and the budget office about wait a minute, what's our justification for withholding the money and our legal rational. we have not seen these records but they suggest that the normal path for how you would withhold