gordon sondland ambassador to the european union ukraine is not in the european union. and then ambassador to -- the actual u.s. ambassador to ukraine, bill taylor. and then there is kurt volker who was the special envoy to ukraine. you say why is there a special envoy and an ambassador? they have different roles. the special envoy is not an official state department position. it is not a paid position. it is sort of a part-time person who is involved in this thing. these three guys were involved in a discussion about why the aid was being held up to ukraine. >> and one of the reasons people were enthusiastic about hearing from sondland today when they were going back and forth in the text exchange discussing quid pro quo, he was the one who said no more discussing this on -- he said there is no quid pro quo, but no more discussing this on text, let's call. without a doubt the number one question would have been why did