has called for greater transparency in american politics. and i any there is a distinction. mit took money after the conviction. harvard took the money after it. what he did was much worse, and the fact that they tried to hide it makes the offense greater. >> people like bell gate that's have their own well staffed foundation, and they're directing it through epstein, many of us asking the question why? >> i don't understand why it is that it has to be that we must take this money from this particular individual. there is a lot of other ways they can raise money and other ways they can bring the money