one of the problems here is that the white house wanted a fuexxo ragz of the president and the justice department, even to this point where they did offer the narrow statement about the fact that there was no campaign finance law violation here. they never said there was no violation of the law whatsoever. and we now know that rudy giuliani is under some sort of criminal investigation and counterintelligence investigation. so it would be an exceedingly unwise thing for barr to do, particularly given suspicions about him within the rank and file of the justice department to come out and sort of clear the president amidst what appears to be some ongoing investigative interest in that phone call by other parts of the justice department. >> dana, this may indicate a lot of things happening in the white house. perhaps higher nervousness based how close we are to public hearings, right, and the president now not wanting that. you in part reacted to that potential thematic by writing today the united states is being