just incomprehensible. the idea that the president was caught red handed, there is a smoking gun, is what that i cans this so heartwrenching for those who have served in national security to see essentially the sanctity of the office spoiled by the president for -- at the expense of our security. >> and you worked in national security, you know this sort of stuff. and a lot of people have been using the term tip of the iceberg. and based on what you've seen and heard from the whistleblower report and talking with many of your friends and former colleagues, is it the tip of the iceberg? >> sure feels like it. and it is an open question as to how far these impeachment inquiry hearings will go. but clearly when there is this one tiny example caught on the record and this is so explosive and we've seen patterns of deception over the years from the president related to the russia investigation in