obstructing justice and obstructing congress that much stronger. but there are other democrats who believe that including anything from mueller's report makes this effort seem too back ward looking, make it seem like it's about 2016 and not about 2020 and that might further poison any hope they might have getting bipartisan support later and that it might make for a more difficult vote for some moderate democrats on the house floor. this is an active debate. no guidance yet on exactly which way this will break. but it will be a decision made by nancy pelosi and those committee chairmen who will be deciding what's in and what's out. >> let me ask you about new reporting that came out from "the wall street journal" about the phone call between rudy giuliani and a budget phone number within the white house. they say it's not a phone number that is directly related to omb, pushing back against that, that democrats list add phone number