were holding it up. >> right. it underscores that the administration didn't appreciate, i think, the gravity in what was at stake here. i certainly don't think they appreciated the national security risks associated with it. so president trump has for a while now used foreign policy aid as a lever, but as a policy, right, he's with held aid from central american countries, from pakistan, from lebanon now, from the palestinians and he ease used it in order to gain traction on other policy efforts. and presidents can do that. but the ukraine aid was congressionally mandated number one. number two, it was for a specific effort to counter the russians. it was also part of our commitment as a fellow nato member. and most importantly, you have a situation where it's tied to personal and political gain. the others are tied to policy issues, right? there's ostensibly an agreement to with hold aid to achieve a goal. there's a big difference and big risk with putting it with personal and political gain and