statements about her, that she was going to go through something. was he listening? did he know she had been intimidated and did he then tweet that she had served poorly? was he sticking the knife in the back of a witness who already acknowledged that she was intimidated? because that compounds it in my view. if it was just out of the blue and lots of things are with this president, that's bad. if it was in response to her earlier testimony at this hearing today that she had been intimidated previously, that's awful. >> people that have covered donald trump for years as a reality tv figure and i guess attempted business person, i don't know what he describes himself as in that category, describe him as a counter-puncher. it's very different when you're punching against a witness in your own impeachment. >> it's very different. and what you're saying, nicole, building on what chuck said, actually goes straight to his motivation. this is a witness that has