without an attorney present is the crucial question. and i suspect it's going to be an all-day affair but i suspect we'll have an answer to that pretty quickly. if she declines to talk, that will start leaking out pretty quickly. republicans may be quick to claim that this means the president's strategy is holding. we could know within the hour whether or not she's sitting for a long deposition or staying mum. >> these are staffers who will be conducting the deposition, but lawmakers are able to be in the room. we saw mark meadows walk in. we know that devin nunez is in washington, or at least at the studio. as we take a look now at the door entryway there to see who else may be going in and out of that room. matt, your thoughts here? >> it is really hard to overstate how dangerous it is for the white house to be saying that these people shouldn't testify, shouldn't testify without a lawyer present. normally when you ask for a lawyer to be present, that's to protect you, the witness. this is to protect them.