was all about trump, i don't think i could exonerate manafort. the president has not ruled out a pardon at this point. what do you think the end game is here. >> the president has been asked about this over and over again and always refused to take off the table the idea of pardoning paul manafort. certainly from the manafort side you have to imagine that is the end goal, get donald trump to pardon paul manafort to clear, you know, as he has many times, to clear this whole russia thing and all of the associated illegal behavior, including things that paul manafort has pled guilty to, was all a hoax and wipe it all away. >> rosalyn and tom, thank you both very much. we want to get to breaking news now. back over at the white house, president trump as we speak, talking about ukraine and joe biden on the south lawn before he heads to florida. kristen welker is back with us. i'm looking at notes from our colleagues, the president was asked again, what did you want president zelensky of ukraine to do. president trump is now saying, apparently, very explicitly i would think they would start an