holmes says the big stuff, you mean like the war, dealing with russia? no, the big stuff, what president trump cares about. i'm not quoting very bay tim because i don't have it in fron of me. the substance is very clear. what does he care about? what can benefit him like the bidens. it's very clear from multiple witnessesom exactly what presidt trump wanted to get from president zelensky. he wanted a statement on television that ukraine was investigating and was going to investigate vice president joe biden, and he wanted a statement contradicting the 2016 understanding by our intelligence committee and by special counsel mueller there had been a sweeping and s systematicin campaign by russia and saying it was ukraine that interfered in our campaign. that's what he wanted. that wast the big stuff.