reporting also that giuliani wanted to go to ukraine to, as he put it, not meddle in an election, but meddle in investigations? >> i did read that, yes. >> and that occurred prior to the president canceling the vice president's trip to the inauguration? >> it did. i believe it was around may 10th or so. >> colonel vindman, you were asked by the minority counsel about the president's words in the july 25th call, and whether the president's words were ambiguous. was there any ambiguity about the president's use of the word biden? >> there was not. >> it was pretty clear that the president wanted zelensky to commit to investigating the bidens, was it not? >> that is correct. >> that is one of the favors that you thought should be properly characterized as a demand? >> that is correct.