and recommend to our colleagues and find how to hold the president accountable. >> congressman swalwell, thanks for joining us. >> my pleasure. we'll turn to the white house where our correspondent hans nichols is gathering reaction to the wildfire set in motion by the president himself with an attempt to intimidate a witness in realtime. >> there are meetings taking place, between the white house counsel and the deputy press secretary. sib own any left the meeting. my colleague hallie jackson asked him if he thought it was witness intimidation, what the president just did. he didn't answer. let me tell you why these meetings are significant. there's one meeting between he and hogan gidley. right across between mulvaney and grisham. they've been at odds. you get the sense that this is truly a unified white house strategy that you wouldn't have separate meetings and all these different power nodes, power