a political campaign made no sense. it was counterproductive to all of what we had been trying to do. it was illogical. could not be explained. it was crazy. >> when you say all of what we were trying to do, what do you mean by we? >> i mean that the united states was trying to support ukraine as a front line state against russian attack. again, the whole notion of a rules-based order was being threatened by the russians in ukraine. so our security assistance was designed to support ukraine. it was not just the united states, it was all of our allies. >> when you reference help with a political campaign in this text message, what did you mean? >> i meant that the investigation of burisma and the bidens was clearly identified by mr. giuliani in public for