concern, and i'm into the point of worry. i don't know that. but what i do know is that unless we start talking to each other we are not going to solve our problems. we have very significant problems. and calling somebody problems. calling somebody a name is not the way to have a productive conversation. we need to be civil. people don't have that modeled for them in the universities, outside the universities. there was the whole 2017 punching a nazi. we need to move away from that and toward talking to each other. we're all americans. we all have ecological concerns, concerns with of tpoverty, with homelessness, with guns. >> it sounds like a fascinating read. certainly a book that we should be reading right now in these times. it is one of the most devastating environmental