that they have relied on hearsay or don't have direct evidence of something. they're trying to be sure that everybody always remembers it was the president who instructed these things not to be produced. as charlie was saying, they left aside, did not include the obstruction to the mueller report, they don't want to cloud things up. they're keeping it narrow, focused, but they're doing two things in parallel saying these are the abuses of office he participated in with respect to ukraine and these are the reasons that we don't have certain witnesses and certain documents because the president obstructed our ability to get them. >> in many ways, it is going back in the whole idea of narrow and focused to what nancy pelosi said from the beginning, we have to be able to make this case, we have to keep it very pointed. as you pointed out, trying to keep it forward looking, alleging that the president is a threat to the 2020 election, and i found it interesting today when you were listening to the