for impeachment moving in the other direction. moving more towards the president. so i think the white house wants to find out a little bit more about what chairman nadler envisions. but right now, it seems as though they're disinclined to do a full participation. ali. >> hans, thank you. hans nichols for us at the white house. and "the new york times" piece wasn't the only damning revelation. new testimony transcripts from an office of management and budget official, mark sandy, reveals how intense the withholding of that ukrainian aid was for the office of management and budget. this was part of his testimony, his close-door testimony. according to mark sandy, the withholding of that -- of that money was part of the reason why two omb officials resigned. including one official from the omb's legal department. sandy also provided even more revealing context to the timeline of the aid and then there's this. he testified that the white house chief of staff, mick mulvaney, notified him that trump had directed the administration officials freeze ukraine's military aid.