>> and let's start there. >> and we have to go at the questions of how it is that we recognize again the fact that the test process, the test prep process, but also the opportunity to learn, which is the most important part of this, is impacted by wealth. >> i hope when this story of this scandal passes, we are really still having that story, because the number of people affected by this scandal is miniscule compared to the number of qualified students who will not get a place in a college that they want to, because they don't have legacy, because they don't have sports, because they don't have wealth, from when they were young. so thank you for helping us with that. >> thank you very much. >> a former chief of the educational opportunity section of the civil rights division, at the department of justice. turning now to 2020, just last hour, we learned when the next presidential debate is going to be, the dnc announced the fourth debate at otterbine