within the last several weeks acting secretary mcaleenan has given interviews in which he has in some ways tried to separate himself from some of the most excessive aspects of the immigration policy. he clearly viewed himself as someone who was trying to blunt the rougher edges of the policy and take a law enforcement approach, but not one viewed as punishing or penalizing innocent or vulnerable populations of migrants. i'm not surprised that kevin is departing government service, i think he tried to do the best co-to take a law enforcement approach without going overboard with the president's immigration agenda. >> another thing to talk about, juan, you have the "washington post" reporting that mcaleenan was frustrated and isolated. even as he delivered what the president wants at the border. is this another case of paying a price for just trying to be something of a voice of reason? >> it may be. >> as nick said, kevin was a long-time professional within the ranks of the department of