operating procedure for this. we don't know whether or not they're different levels of classified and how high up, and whether or not all phone calls with foreign leaders were treated in this manner or just phone calls with surgecertain countries. >> makes you wonder what the other documents, information is stored in that. thank you, hans nichols, to start us off. joining me now is jonathan allen, political recorder with nbc news digital, and reporter with yahoo news, katia tubman. john, i want to start with you. let's put this up. you have the ukrainian call, where the president asks for a favor. now, compare that to this may 2017 conversation. what do you take from that in comparison, and what did we learn? >> good morning, frances. there's tremendous parallel here. the president in both of these cases is in a situation where he obviously is not bothered by, not concerned about, according