donald trump, his businesses, family trust, et cetera, for deck asds, is basically look, the president is immune from get this, not just indictment while sitting in office, but criminal investigations. again, that's never been tested in court. it has no precedent. it's not been recognized by any prior court system. i think it's going to lose when they advance the argument. there will be a hearing this coming wednesday, september 25 in court. cyrus vance, the manhattan d.a. has agreed to hold off on trying to enforce the subpoenas until that date. >> and what do you think? do you think we're going to see the president's tax returns? >> well it's eight years of personal and corporate tax returns this actual attempt has been done by congress, by elijah cummings, that's another lawsuit that was brought by donald trump. it's currently up on appeal in the united states district court in d.c. so there's actually going to be a prior ruling that we're going to get from a federal system. what's important to recognize, this is a state investigation. federal investigations, et cetera, those are entirely different. it's entirely different jurisdiction.