But keeps the same deadlines in place. Some argue this is the kick the can down the road style that weve seen before. Doing the same thing over and over again is insanity. And we got one more chance here to actually get a deal. Its an embarrassment to me that we have spent all this time on a rabbit trail leading us to where we are. Theres a lot of work thats going to be done over the next two or three days. I dont think its time to spike the football in the end zone yet. There was actually 13 of us, six democrats, six republicans and one independent, and we put something together and presented it to the two leaders and i think that thats really when the conversation really got going. The wild card in all of this, senator ted cruz who hasnt said whether hell vote to block a vote on the senate bill. Cruz was busted holding a secret meeting last night with about 20 house conservatives. Majority whip Kevin Mccarthy saw that group and was reportedly particularly interested in what the group was up to. Republicans taking a huge hit during this fiasco. The latest polls showing 74 disapprove of the gops handling of the budget negotiations. And ive just been told were getting a fiveminute warning to when john boehner will come out. In the meantime we have enough time to speak with democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut and South Carolina congressman James Clyburn. Gentlemen, again, Speaker Boehner has given this fiveminute warning so if i jump away abruptly, please forgive me. Congressman, let me start with you. Republican leaders in the house and the senate have been holding these critical meetings to try to get the rank and file on the same page. Are you optimistic and do you think its likely House Republicans will announce a workable deal . Thank you so much for having me, thomas. You know, im always an optimistic person, but the fact of the matter is we would love to see the debt ceiling lifted for as at least a year. Of course we will accept this these dates as proposed but from what im hearing, there are a lot of poison pills coming out of the republican conference. They would like to add new objections to the Affordable Care act. I understand that they are talking about getting rid of a big thing without offering in its stead. That effectively undercuts it. I understand they want to put extraneous requirements on the president and the secretary of the treasury to manage the deficit. That to me is an invasion into the prerogatives of the administration. And so these kinds of poison pills would not get us anywhere. I would hope that they would bring a debt ceiling deal clean, a cr clean and lets order the negotiations for a budget by december 13th. All these things are fine with us, but these other extraneous things, im not too sure that democrats are going to be for that. Sir, lets talk about those calendar dates that weve been talking about this morning. Senator, i know that the president had earlier said that he wanted the Senate Democrats to come up with a oneyear proposal for the debt ceiling. Meanwhile all this has been mashed together with the shutdown and so weve got the debt ceiling looming, were in Government Shutdown mode but the senate gop has postponed their meeting coming up today at 12 30 eastern time. If this deal gets done and the president signs it and as the congressman brings up, the senate deal keeps the government funded until january 15th, raises the debt limit until february 7th and could resolve through this special committee by december 13th where proper cuts could come in, isnt this just an extension of kicking the can down the road and we end up where we are 90 days from now . Of course it is. And democrats, as representative clyburn said, weve been clear we want at least a oneyear extension of the debt ceiling. Wed like a longer term budget. Its republicans frankly that are insisting that we just kick the can down the road by a couple months. I have no idea why they want that. I mean we are taking a 160 billion 160 million hit to the economy every week of this shutdown. Its terrible policy economically for this country to essentially move backwards every week that the government is shut down and we risk defaulting on our debts and its also terrible politics on republicans. Why on earth republicans would want to be put in this position again in just a couple of months when they clearly lose out during these shutdown and default negotiations is absolutely beyond me. They have learned nothing either economically or politically from this crisis, and hopefully somebody over there is going to wake up in the next few days and realize that its good for the country and, frankly, good for them if they extend this beyond january or february. Gentlemen, im going to ask you to stand by. I just got a note from the white house, a spokesperson there, about the House Republican proposal. Coming out in advance of what Speaker Boehner may say, but this statement says the president has repeatedly has said repeatedly that members of congress dont get to demand ransom for fulfilling their basic responsibilities to pass a budget and pay the bills. Unfortunately, the latest proposal from the House Republicans does just that. Democrats and republicans in the senate have been working in a bipartisan good faith effort to end the manufactured crisis that have already harmed American Families and Business Owners with only a couple days remaining until the United States exhausts its borrowing authority, its time for the house to do the same. Chris matthews was the host of hardball joins us now from washington, d. C. As well. Chris, a lot of moving parts but its all the same as weve been before. So the machinations remain the same. What the white house is giving in response to is the fact that what were anticipating is that Speaker Boehner is going to come out, the deal thats been hashed. It does involve wording that has to do with obama care, the aca. Yeah. And i think the aca and obama care program, its either going to be hurt a little or not hurt at all. I think the republican plan from the Tea Party People in the house is to make sure everybody sees the headline next week or this weekend, it was hurt a bit. It was underfinanced because you took away the medical devices or in some way weakened. They dont want to leave this fight without having scored a point against obama care. I think thats pretty clear right now. Chris, so does that mean that thats what republicans are willing to save face with . Thats the willing exit they will take . Its what they wanted from day one. No, it was from day one they want to score they wanted to wound, i mean not just prwise but wound obama care. They dont like it. I think thats been the tea party goal here. It wasnt about big spending government, it wasnt about the debt or government generally, it was about hurting the president s siature accomplishment. And if they can wound it this time, theyll come back again in january and february again. I think the president im talking this is the way the president i think is looking at it. They came to get his baby, if you will, and they want to hurt it. All along they have wanted to repeal it. Now they wanted to defund it and have gotten their way so far. Then this comes up with a delay tactic basically. Again, the president has said all along that hes not willing to negotiate anything that has to do with the aca. So is this dead on arrival . I think its a i think he has to make a big choice. If boehner wont make a choice against doing this, the president has to make a choice against doing it and he has to risk all the problems, the hell thats coming thursday after midnight if he wants to stand his ground. This is a very tough one. This is very tough for the president. I think its a little less tough for Speaker Boehner because it seems to me that he does have a majority of his Republican Caucus if he stands his ground and says, look, all we want is a couple of things here and weve got them and weve got means testing in effect for the program exchanges, we got that and maybe a couple more things. But i think he might be able to get medical devices. Thats the tricky one. That robs the program of about 5 billion over two years, about 29 billion over ten years or so. And the question then is, is that considered a mortal wound or serious wound against obama care . If the president believes it is, its a real underfinancing of obama care which will hurt it down the road, hes going to have to reject it. If, on the other hand, he says we can afford this and some people say you can afford it, it wont hurt the program itself, he will accept it. This is going to come down to a very fine analysis of how bad an injury that does to obama care. Thats all this is about now. Theres a hot note the president is going to meet with leader pelosi, congressman hoyer, clyburn, coming up this afternoon at 3 15 hes going to be meeting with them at the white house. And, chris, you know, youve got great timing because you got this new book out called tip and the gipper, when politics worked and it takes a very detailed look at what its like for the president to have to work with a speaker who might be against him politically, but talks about the personal friendship that took place behind the scenes for tip oneill and ronald reagan. We do not have an instance like that in modern day politics in washington, d. C. Yeah, it wasnt a buddy story, it was more a story if you go through the whole book, its very clear about people who are 180 against each other like today but they were able to talk. I think that was the big difference, they were able to talk all the way through. Lets face it, back in the 70s when i was working for ed muskie and the budget committee, we got the Budget Approved in the spring on may 15th so we were way ahead of this. This is getting worse every generation. Stay with me. Heres john boehner. Met with our members today. I tried to find a way forward in a bipartisan way that would continue to provide fairness to the American People under obama care. There are a lot of opinions about what direction to go. There have been no decisions about what exactly we will do. But were going to continue to work with our members on both sides of the aisle to try to make sure that theres no issue of default and to get our government reopened. We just talked to our members. I think its been very clear all along what we as republicans in the house have wanted. One, weve wanted the democrats to sit down and talk to us so we could work out our differences and weve been saying since day one that we believe there should be no special treatment under the law and there should be fairness for all americans, those elected and those unelected. And im glad to see that harry reid and the Senate Finally has begun to sit down and talk with the republican leader there and we encourage that. We also, though, as the House Republican conference think its very, very important for us to stress in whatever proposal we move forward will reflect our position on fairness, that no special treatment for anybody under the law. Very clear in our discussions that we think individuals should be treated fairly. That big business should not have special treatment and members of congress should not have special treatment. We are very cognizant of the calendar. We want to find a solution to this in a bipartisan manner that gets this moving forward and gets america back working again. For weeks now the republicans in the house have been leading with solutions and we believe that this is the time for solutions and they need to be based upon fairness for all. We recognize that people all across this country continue to struggle and have their challenges and as the foundation we want to ensure that laws are written and implemented in a way that provide that fairness for all, whether its moms, dads, small Business Owners, seniors, young people, that are trying to find their way forward. And we in the house, we remain committed to being a part of a solution to working in a bipartisan fashion to find those common sense ways to make sure that were doing whats good and right for america. Ill take a couple of questions. Mr. Speaker, the changes in your bill to the president S Health Care law are arguably pretty minor. Were they worth a twoweek Government Shutdown . Were working with our members on a way forward and to make sure that we provide fairness to the American People. Mr. Speaker, can you guarantee that the American People, congress will not go past the deadline i have made clear for months and months that the idea of default is wrong and we shouldnt get anywhere close to it. Last question. Mr. Speaker, will there be a vote today on the plan . Are you going to vote today on this plan that would make some changes to the senate bill and reopen the government . We are talking with our members on both sides of the aisle to try to find a way to move forward today. Thanks. All right. Listening to Speaker John Boehner there after coming out from his conference talking about the fact that they dont want to have an issue of default, they want to get the government open and running but their big issue is no special treatment under the law when it comes to the aca. We heard the word fairness and fair used a lot there. Chris matthews was listening with me. We also have James Clyburn who was kind enough to stick around for us. Ill talk to him in a moment about goegt white house this afternoon. Chris, let me start with you about what weve heard there. It doesnt seem as if weve made any forward motion, especially if they kick the can okick the dead horse, better yet, of the aca. It looks to me like theyre going to focus on the treatment of members of congress and their staff. I mean its a very political issue. Theyre playing it politically of course, most people do at this point. It looks like thats what they want to end up with. Theyre trying to do something to make it look like members of congress are not getting a special break, although i never thought they were getting a special break. They were part of obama care like everyone else and the government is their employer and should be treated as the employer under obama care. I always thought it was a bit of a phony issue but sounds very good politically. I understand what theyre up to now, this end game. Get credit for having stood up for fairness. I think they said it themselves. This will be their issue because they know issues like medical devices dont grab the people at home and questions about what role the secretary of state can play in terms of prioritizing payments doesnt grab people at home. I think they want to end on a winning issue that sounds good at home. People with memories are going to recognize fairness is not about shutting down the government when your only job in congress is control of the Purse Strings and keep the government running. So when you throw your hands up in the hair and run away from the real issues because of a Sticking Point over a bill that was passed by both congress, vetted through the Supreme Court and voted on by a mandate of the American People, it doesnt seem as if they have a true leg to stand on about what is fair about it and whats not. What there is, is a very good system for enacting law affecting members of congress and the entire country, affecting our finances and its called the appropriations process and the budget process of the starting in the 1970s, we got the budget through in the spring, we got the appropriations through in the summer and a second budget resolution done before october. Boy the 1980s when i was working for the speaker, they got most of the appropriations done on time and a few that didnt and that was covered by the continuing resolution. Today were in a situation where no appropriations passed, no budget resolution and thanks to mr. Cruz said he didnt want the two committees to meet. As a result were in a ridiculous kerfuffle where possibly defaulting on the u. S. Good will and credibility in the world built up over a century, thinking about playing with that because they have got this little political piece that theyre working here on what they call fairness, it is totally disproportion nat to the danger were facing right now in the next 48 hours. Chris matthews, the host of hardball tonight at 7 00. Chris, tip and the gipper is great. Well talk about it. Thanks so much, great to have you on. Congressman clyburn, thanks for your patience as well. I know you had an opportunity to hear Speaker Boehner and eric cantor and some of their other members. It doesnt seem as though the ball has moved down the field very much but i have a note saying that youre going to the white house this afternoon for a 3 15 meeting to speak to the president directly. What do you expect to hear from him if the right is still in the same Sticking Point that its been the whole time . Well, i believe that the president is going to hold fast to the positions he has been taking over time and i expect for him to continue our conversation this afternoon. But let me say this about what we just heard from chris matthews. I think chris is absolutely correct, that congress is already all members of congress, we are covered by the Affordable Care act. All this does is add the president and cabinet members to it. And im not too sure that thats not irresponsible on our part. We are now covered, thanks to senate grassley, by the Affordable Care act so this is just a nonissue as far as we are concerned. Just to explain that to everybody, sir, just a little more, the fact is that the aca was brought into the american system, introduced into law, again, vetted by both houses and sent up through the Supreme Court and voted on by the American People that it worked for them because of president obamas leadership and its for people in this country that do not have access, do not have coverage already, do not have access to Affordable Care and cant afford it. So basically what the right is trying to do is use a crowbar to pry away any coverage from the white house and president obama and cabinet members and theyre currently covered, they dont need the aca, but stick them on this anyway as some type of political jab. Thats correct. But i think chris may be overestimating whats going on in the republican conference. I believe that they have a majority of the republican votes, but the fact is we ought to ask ourselves do they have 218 votes or maybe 217 is whats required now. Or will they have to come to democrats to get some of those votes. If so, i dont know of any democrat thats going to vote to undercut the Affordable Care act at this point. Thats been vetted by the American People last november, it has been approved, signed by the president , approved, deemed constitutional by the Supreme Court. We ought to get away from that. And they are talking about eligibility and that kind of stuff. We dont mind talking about that. But funding the Affordable Care act ought not be put at peril and i should hope that the president will hold to that, senate says they will, and we ought to get away from that and start thinking about what to do in a budget that we ought to be discussing between now and december 13th as they require. We dont mind doing that at all. And all of these extraneous things ought to be brought into that discussion. We ought not to be holding the working men and women of this country hostage while we argue over what is now settled law. We remain hostage for a little while longer and all stare down the debt ceiling which is coming up thursday, so its a group of issues going on and we know youll be at the white house coming up at 3 15 to talk to the president directly. Congressman clyburn, thanks for your time. I appreciate your patience. Thank you for having me. This is going to leave our question of the day for you. Will House Republicans drive america to default. Weigh in on facebook and twitter. Keep the conversation going right there. Were back in a moment. Thood thing, but it doesnt cover everything. Only about 80 of your part b medical expenses. The rest is up to you. So consider an aarp Medicare Supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. Like all standardized Medicare Supplement insurance plans, they could save you in outofpocket medical costs. Call today to request a free decision guide. 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Nothing starts working faster than zyrtec® at relieving your allergy symptoms for 24 hours. Zyrtec®. Love the air. Our Leadership Team met with members today trying to find a way forward in a bipartisan way that would continue to provide fairness to the American People under obama care. Were talking with our members on both sides of the aisle to try to find a way to move forward today. So call it what you want. Political chicken or capitol hill ping pong. The game continues at this hour. John boehner and his gop leadership will vote on their own version of a deal to open the government and extend the debt ceiling. House leader nancy pelosi is expected to give a News Conference at any moment and House Democratic leaders will meet with the president and Vice President at the white house 3 15 eastern time and joe biden will be a part of that meeting. The big question is will any deal get done. Luke russert joins me now live from capitol hill with more on this. Luke, it really does seem that maybe they havent seen the movie groundhogs day. Its like heres where we are again and anything coming from the right that involves the aca is not going to move. Yeah, its a fascinating dynamic, thomas. We were standing outside this gop Conference Meeting that started at 9 00 a. M. It went exactly two hours. Were told many members spoke. Many spoke in opposition to this bill that had been leaked out. You obviously have seen the details on our air, but its interesting that theres no guarantee this republican counteroffer from the house could have gotten 218 votes. Thats why john boehner said were still evaluating what were going to do. Now, from sources ive spoken to, the idea boehner would still like to put a house proposal on the floor by tonight, but theyll have to go back and rework this bill and perhaps make it more appealing to the more conservative members within that conference. One thing that stood out from conversations i had is that some members said the ultra conservative members within the conference wanted the federal subsidies for the president S Health Care law that extended to members of congress, those were going to be repealed from the proposal. They wanted that to extend to staff and thats been a point of contention up here. Theres been a lot of ideas that government workers should be subjected to the same regulations as the president S Health Care law. Other older members of congress say, no, thats unfair because our staffs are already working for a small amount of money they deserve to have the federal government payin for their premiums. So thats one issue to look at. As far as everything else, thomas, interestingly enough if something comes out of the house, it actually makes it easier for senator reid to pass something more quickly because they could amend a house bill, maybe keep one thing in here thats not too inflammatory towards democrat, like the twoyear repeal of the medical device tax and send it back. So its a fluid situation. But what we can say right now is that what boehner wanted to do, which is put the house back in the game, that has to be delayed right now because this bill is not doing enough for his conservative members. Nbcs luke russert reporting there from capitol hill. Luke, keep us posted. I appreciate it. Nbc daily rundown host got the first word of the deal in the house when one of the gop members rushed out. Take a listen. All right, so we dont have that sound bite. Well work on that to get it back to you, but we were hearing there exactly some of the point details that were coming out this morning at 9 00 a. M. Take a listen. We have been assured and reassured by the president and members of congress on numerous occasions that the budget wont be balanced on the backs of veterans and yet here we are today. We need a permanent fix, not the temporary bandaid of budget deals or to face this again in a few months. We have to end this shutdown. Congress has to do its work. Piecemeal will not work. All right, so hearing there from certain veterans about what this has done to them while weve had the Government Shutdown, while we wait for thursday to come, which is the default date of the 17th. Joining me now is republican congresswoman from tennessee, marsha blackburn. Congressman, great to have you with me. Here we are on the heels of john boehner coming out and giving a brief description of the bill thats being crafted together and cobbled together to get enough support, but it includes revision work or anything tied to the aca that the president has been very firm on, saying that thats really a nonnegotiable starting point, especially mainly the delay of the medical device tax. Do you agree that no matter what something needs to come from the house that still has attachments for the aca . Well, i think that one of the things that were looking at is the fact that the house is the one who continues to pass builds and send to the senate and continue to invite the president and the senate to the negotiating table so we can address this. We have been doing that for months and weeks and days and even years when you look at the fact that were the ones that continue to pass a budget. But nevertheless, we do find ourself at another deadline, this dealing with the debt ceiling, and again, in order to get the Senate Working toward something, we are going to take the steps to bring together components of a bill that we will send over to the senate and be hopeful that they are going to take it up, take some action and maybe theyll work late for once. Congressman, let me ask you, when it comes to obama care, do you hate obama care more than you love your country . Ive got to tell you something. I think that comments like that that you are making are just incredibly inappropriate. What we have to realize you dont think its incredibly inappropriate to shut down our government and take all the hostages of americans that youve taken . No, no, no, its not inappropriate because you took the government hostage through the shutdown and all the American People, youre walking them to a cliff, the economy, and youre going to push them over one by one based on the fact that you dont like the aca. Thats all it is. You dont like the Affordable Care act. Listen to yourself. Listen tou yourself. Just listen to the way youre sounding, my goodness. We didnt want a Government Shutdown. We dont want a government default . Really . Because on august the 6tht the Economic Club of national on august the 6th you said everything we can do whether its defunding, delaying, replacing, all of our energy needs to be every one of our efforts. I applaud ted cruz for getting out there and bringing this to the forefront. Did you not say that . Those are comments that i did make to the Economic Club, and let me tell you why. So you have been planning a shutdown since august. No, not at all. Not at all. What you are doing is so inappropriate. We didnt want a shutdown. What we want to do is solve problems. How can you say that you didnt want a shutdown if you said that everything we can do is defunding, delaying to a 2. 6 trillion program. It is too expensive to afford. We know from history you can look at what happened in tennessee with tencare and you can look at how this affected our state. By the way, it was a democrat governor who had to come in and reshape that program. What were saying is lets learn from the mistakes of the past. Lets look at things that are Lessons Learned but senator bob corker calling this silly and selfdefeating all the effort thats being placed into the efforts to try to do something with obama care based on closing off the government and then trying to push us into default. Ive got to tell you, it is not House Republicans that wanted a Government Shutdown. You know as well as i do that the president and leader reid are the ones that were pushing for a shutdown. Everybody is aware of that at this point in time. What we are seeking to do is to solve the problem. Kwoocongressman, let me ask to stand by real quickly. Nancy pelosi is speaking. Stand by, please. What you saw here earlier, was that here where they were . The speaker was here . Was a speaker who did not have the votes for his proposal. If theres any hope here, they dont have the votes. So why are they doing this to the American People. Sabotaging a good faith bipartisan effort coming out of the senate, wasting the publics time. And in this case time is money. Time is money. This is going to be very costly to our economy, even if eventually we do lift the debt ceiling, the cost in Interest Payments will be in the billions of dollars. This republican habit of sabotaging of any effort to move forward is a luxury our country cannot afford. And you could see by their comments, they did not have the votes. There are those on the radical right who dont want to lift the debt ceiling and you have the moderates who say whether they want to do so in a way that is clean that will go to the senate that will pass and that the president will sign. With that ill yield. I dont know that theres much to end. I think the American People were heartened by the fact senators were talking. From all appearances they were close to reaching an agreement which would open up our government and which would make sure that the credit of the United States was not put at risk. And as leader pelosi has indicated, make sure as well that Interest Rates would not spike, that 401 k values, retirees would not go down, that people would not be adversely affected. In fact what they have done once again, we understand from the republican conference, is to snatch confrontation from the jaws of reasonable agreement. That is what so angers and makes the public so upset rightfully with their government. They want Reasonable Solutions so that they and their families can have some confidence that their government is being run appropriately, but more importantly so their lives are not disrupted and that Government Employees arent put out that when a veteran makes an application, theres somebody there to take the application or Social Security or disability, somebody to take them. Somebody to show them around the national parks. All of these things we are undermining the confidence of the American People. It is such so sad that on the brink of an agreement that would open up our government and make sure that america pays its bills that the republican conference met this morning, apparently after a number of them talked to ted cruise, and saz, and said, t good enough for us. Now i want to yield to jim clyburn, the assistant leader. Thank you, mr. Whip. I think that what we are experiencing at this time is a tremendous effort on the part of the republicans in the house to once again undercut the verdict of the American People that was rendered last november. What they have added to this legislation are more extraneous issues dealing with the Affordable Care act, something that ought to be settled law and i thought we had gotten away from. I do believe that we are experiencing, according to the information i have received, a ninemonth low in Consumer Confidence because people are really leery of the republicans ability to accept their verdict and move on to the next issues. So i would hope that sometime within the next few hours the speaker of the house will take an assessment not just of his conference but an assessment of the American People and allow an issue to come to the floor that would give us a raising of the debt ceiling, give us a continuing resolution and allow for some negotiations on the budget that will put americans back to work as we argue over these issues. With that, i would like to yield to our distinguished chair of the caucus, mr. Becerra. Thanks, jim. 15 days after republicans drove 800,000 americans over the cliff and told them not to come to work, were now in this 11th hour on the verge of watching republicans shut down the economy as well. And simply because theres a family feud going on among republicans. Senate republicans have chosen to try to sit down with our their democratic counterparts to try to come up with a solution. We can disagree, but if we can come up with a common sense solution, that moves all of us forward. But this lastditch effort on the part of our House Republican colleagues to disrupt irresponsibly disrupt those conversations leaves all of us at risk. And no American Family should have to pay the price for the reckless behavior of some politicians who are trying to get their way in a budget bill and in a bill to pay our past debts at a time when so much is at risk. Three and a half years after we saw the depths of economic downturn, we have seen 7. 5 million americans go back to work. We cannot watch our colleagues sabotage those good efforts and disrupt an opportunity to actually move us forward, so we urge our republican colleagues to talk to us here in the house. We urge our republican colleagues not in this 11th hour to put the American Economy at risk and we urge our republican colleagues to make up with their own republican brethren and come to an agreement that we can then move forward with for the American People. With that let me yield to the vice chair of the democratic caucus, joe crowley. Something that continues to change is the logic behind the republican shutdown of government. First it was about defunding or repealing the Affordable Care act. Then it was about the budget. Now its about something else. Something else with the intention to sabotage the bipartisan Common Sense Solutions that our republican colleagues and democratic colleagues in the senate were trying to work out. But one thing still hasnt changed, and that is for the last two weeks the republicans continue to ensure that the government shuts down. By their behavior are on the krus cusp of seeing our National Debt is not paid. As the leader had mentioned, the real practical element to that and how it will affect the average american is catastrophic. With that, i now turn to congressman steve israel from new york. Thank you. Lets talk about what they understand is the house version of the bill that theyre crafting, but senator harry reid is on the floor now. Lets listen in. This bill that theyre sending over here is doomed to failure. Its doomed to failure legislatively and it is so awful, awful, awful for our country. Senator from new york. Id just like to underscore for a brief moment what our leader has said. You know, default will be devastating to this country. Closing the government is awful for our country. And yesterday we all saw for the first time after the government has been closed for too many days when were on the eve of default some real progress. Leader reid, leader mcconnell coming together on the outlines of a plan that made a great deal of sense, that each side had to give but could accept. And all of a sudden at the last minute as the train, the locomotive to avoid default is heading down the tracks and getting some steam, Speaker Boehner throws a log on the path. This is wrong. He knows that his proposal which we dont even know what it is yet, they have to tweak it, probably to try and appease the hard right, but he knows his proposal with the measures in it already that have leaked out would not be signed by the president or pass the senate. So instead of doing the right thing, looking at the senate proposal, a bipartisan proposal, and moving forward on that, Speaker Boehner decides to light a match and throw it on the gasoline thats already all over the place. I hope he will desist. We all have seen that the house cant lead in this regard. They can pass a lot of one house bills but they cant get anything done. Let him desist. Let him defer to the democratic and Republican Leaders here in this body so that we can avoid default, open the government and get back to americas business. I yield the floor. Listening to new york senator Chuck Schumer there and prior to that listening to harry reid saying that whatever bill that boehner was trying to get together to send over would be doomed to failure. The political director of nbc news, also the host of the daily rundown, chuck todd is with me and has been paying attention to the bouncing ball here. Chuck, explain what were seeing, because the left is coming out pretty reactively to the Little Information that they have on where boehner is, although nancy pelosi was pretty firm in saying that the address that boehner gave was basically a show of hands saying he doesnt have the votes. Well, thomas, im sort of i am surprised by the heated rhetoric im hearing from democrats on the House Republican proposal as we know it. At least the contours of the outline. Because the contours of the outline, heres what House Republicans did. They essentially bought into the senate structure on when the budget how long they would fund the budget and the next debt ceiling and they have backed away from some of the asks they have had before for them, right. They have toned down the idea that all members of congress and staff, instead its just members of congress that they want to fall under the health care law. Look, thats just a fig leaf so boehner can get the votes the first time. The senate would likely strip that out on the medical device tax and that being the delay. The only other sort of new addendum to it. So my point is, thomas, i am surprised with the heated rhetoric democrats are using to describe what House Republicans did which to me it seems as if what boehner is trying to do is offer up something so he can show that hes not so he can show his own republicans that hes not simply surrendering to the senate deal. That hes saying, hey, wed like to at least have something in that senate deal that we want. I think what they really wanting is the medical device tax delay. The vitter thing is just a silly Campaign Poster type deal. Its not a serious not a serious part of this deal. You would assume that some democrats would take that as saying, okay, boehner is essentially conceding here, they have just got to find a way to offer some fig leaf. Is it that medical device thing . Who knows. Is there one more democratic concession democrats would like to see conceded to them because thats their other boeef here, theres no part of the house plan thats a concession on democrats to anything. At least the senate deal. Theres at least a concession there. But again, thomas, im just struck boy the heated rhetoric from democrats on this because this house bill to me is designed to get a deal with the senate and to sort of allow boehner the time to get something through the house. Time is of the essence but well all remain on the sidelines here watching and waiting to see what they do. House leadership, chuck, is due at the white house at 3 15 with the president and the Vice President so well continue to watch this. Were back after a quick break. Thank you. I got this. Oh, no, ill get it let me get it. Uhuhuh. I dont want you to pay for this. Its not happening, honey. Let her get it. She got her safe driving bonus check from allstate last week. And its her treat. What about a tip . Oh, heres one. Get an allstate agent. Nice [ female announcer ] switch today and get two safe driving bonus checks a year for driving safely. Only from allstate. Call 8669056500 now. Here we go hold on man. Is that a leak up there . Thats a drip. Whoo. Okay. Aah. Now thats a leak. That is a leak and if you dont have allstate renters insurance. Game over. [ female announcer ] protect your valuables from things like water damage for as low as 4 a month when you add renters insurance to your allstate auto policy. Call 8669056500 now. Plus, drivers who switched saved an average of 498 a year. 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Piecemeal will not work. Those are some very powerful comments made earlier at the world war ii memorial where 33 veterans and military groups are holding what might be the biggest protest yet at ending the shutdown. This follows what reporters call a million vets march this weekend also at the memorial. It attracted ted cruz, michael and sarah palin. Palin suggesting the president committed impeachable offenses. Protesters heard from this. Were ruled quote, unquote, by a president who bouse down to allah. I call on you to use civil disobedience and demand this president leave town, get out, to put the koran down, to get up off his knees and to figuratively come out with his hands out up. Joining me now from veterans. Organizers werent too happy with palin and ted cruz hijacking or coopting their march issued a statement saying harry reid lambasted those who wanted the shutdown. Whats your reaction as a veteran yourself who knows machinations that go on in d. C. And how this looked. The march that happened over the weekend, i dont consider that a legitimate march. Ive never heard of those groups or anything like that. Obviously when sarah palin and ted cruz joins up. Our organization features a world war ii veteran who was motivated to be in the National Cable ad arguing for a fully funded government because of the amount of benefits that support him. He was motivated by what happened at the world war ii memorial two weeks ago when the republicans showed up there. I think what youre hearing with the lead in, whats going on with 33 Veterans Service organizations, those are legitimate and funded by, supported, providing service to our veterans. They are talking about no piecemeal. These are the type of talking points that came out of the white house, fully fund the government. This is the talk from democrats. Obviously whats going on today is much more relevant to what veterans need than what happened over the weekend. I want to talk about exactly whats going to happen to veterans. Show the screen. Checks to 5. 1 million veterans wont be issued, 360,000 surviving spouses and children of wartime vets may step getting v. A. Money. This is certainly a larger teal. As we saw earlier in the month, the issue of the gratuity death benefits halted and not going out to military members that weve lost, this is a really big deal for so many American Families coming up in the next couple of weeks. Its a huge deal. Thats why you see 33 veterans organizations out there. Theres issues now in the fact guard and reservists cant go to battle and get paid. Come 1 november if you lost both your legs in vietnam on pros theblgts and 100 service kented disabled, you dont get a disability check because the republicans hijacked over obama care. If youre going on the g. I. Bill you may not get payments. 1 november is a huge day and were getting to the moment its going to be a severe problem. Thanks. 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