deliberations i've ever been a part of. i've had 18-hour, 17-hour, one was a federal, one was a state case. it was torture. and this might sound like a small thing, but the judge wanted us to be within ten minutes. obviously my office isn't within ten minutes, so we had to sit in that room on the third floor, it was hell. >> reporter: the decision to put kyle on the stand, was that a close call for you? >> you want the truth? i had to put him on. it wasn't a close call. at certain points we wondered whether we would put him on. we did -- we had a mock jury, and we did two different juries, one with him testifying, one without him testifying. it was substantially better when he testified. i mean, to a marked degree. and that sealed it. but in wisconsin if you don't put a client on the stand,