table in a restaurant in the middle of the forest, which is tree trunks as big as that whole building, it was magnificent. i sat with four big guys, big, big guys, they had a lumber company that they were foresting in the area, and they wanted me to support paying for roads into the national forest. and we started the conversation. to make a long story short, when i made it clear i wasn't going to do that, the father turned to his son and looked like that program, hoss, big fella, i won't use the exact language, i'm across the table, he's got he and his three sons, he said, i'll bet this so and so, referring to me, expletive