reporter, carol cadwalader and "new york times" technology reporter mark howland. how do you assess mark zuckerberg's statement? >> as frances haugen said, they're trapped in their own lies and deception and trapped in this cycle of denial and until they break out of this cycle of denial and acknowledge some of the many problems that are ongoing, then there's sort of no chance of fixing them. and, you know, what do we see? the first thing we saw is facebook's ceo went out on the news and accused her of stealing