safer place, there's so much involved. they have fantastic ideas. we're putting them to work. >> you came here when you were 16. >> yes, i was arrested when i was 16 and left when i was 34. >> how did this place change you for the better? >> it sounds crazy, but i lived in nine prisons over 16 years. i never met a warden until i got to sing sing. he would walk the halls and say, are you in school, and really push us. i realize you said to me, hey, what if we did more. and it's just not a normal question from a superintendent in a maximum security prison to think about doing more here like college and music and theater and work to make us dig deeper into what caused us to be here in first place. >> you have been out about a year? >> about 15 miss. >> 27 years in the system. what was it like stepping on the outside? >> it was wonderful. i've been dreaming about my rerelease since the first day i