on the economy. i think we have about a two-minute warning. i want to end these two minutes -- in these two minutes bring in the ceo of the national urban league, and also the president and ceo of the woodrow wilson center. thank you both for being with me. i have to be short with you, but mark, how do you remember powell? >> character, principle, a willingness to stand up even to his friends. a trail blazer for people of color. a man who was genuine at all times. a man from a humble beginning who didn't forget from whence he came. i heard collin speak some 25 years ago. he gave one of the most powerful defenses of affirmative action in the army to a world where he and i were the only african americans in the room. he's one of the great people of our time. >> jane, what your thoughts? you worked with him when you were at the house? >> i did.