compromise, we have to show that we're willing to connect with women and make a stand ourselves. so we saw firsthand this was going to be an arduous undertaking. so although it is a short period of time in history, a couple of years really, which led to the good friday agreement, it happened in large part because the people of northern ireland wanted it. they finally have had enough and they said we have got to do better than this. >> we -- take risks in the people that could effectively -- carried on working on. it you are people who are prepared to do -- island was a training country. it was a different feeling in the zeitgeist, if you like. and it came together. then we had people from the outside in this case presidents clinton who had both the intelligence to understand the issue and the application to work on it. >> and yet with everybody