the cruelty is the point, right? they don't care about the legislative priorities. and they are not policy people. and they just want to win. if their guy feels like he is powerful and he wants to win, i think that is what they respond to. >> there is such a disconnect here. he lost in 2017. 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022. they are still losing in 2023. you look at wisconsin, i really think that the two greatest political earthquakes over the past couple years have been kansas and wisconsin. the supreme court race there, it was supposed to be neck and neck and it's not like conservatives weren't saying this is the most important race in wisconsin in years.