are making contact. they're all gonna try to have their trump moment. the problem is i can tell you right now, donald trump's gonna win whether he shows up or not. and on thursday any tally you turn on siena show are real of what each candidate said about trump. and maybe if they're lucky another interaction that nikki haley had with the vice, former vice president pence. it's tough, it's not an easy process. >> the sinus shading out a lot of this as you gave an overview up there. if you're the biden team, they just announced 25 million dollar ad fight across the country. they'll be organizing fund-raisers. what else should they be doing right now? >> governing. and improving the economy, which they're doing. i think there's a lot of noise, it's hard to tell if that is down to their favor. i think right now they're getting ready. they're now in a sweet spot where they can continue to govern while they've got this ten person circus going on.