figures involved in this it seems like it was probable cause or whatever, prima facie evidence. there was something fishy going on with all these meetings. how do you call that criminal to investigate that? >> katrina's right, i'm a former i.g. and i'm a former federal prosecutor, so i've been on both sides of that. so what it appears durham is doing, it appears whatever he's doing should really be done by a combination of the doj i.g., we've seen his report and then the ici. g. and then if and only if the i.g.'s find evidence of a crime, then referrals is made to the relevant u.s. attorney with jurisdiction. >> jurisdiction is a great word, greg. what is the guy -- the u.s. attorney up in connecticut got to do with this except he's willing to take orders do do what he's told by the president.