already begun to attack her now watching? >> it says a lot that she even showed up for her deposition despite the president asking people not to show up. she's very credible. she's one of these persons, chris, who you would be next to in the grocery store or sit next to on the subway and not appreciate how big of a role she plays to help her country. she did not sign up to come to congress and testify in this way, but she's going to honor her subpoena. she said in her testimony that what the president was asking of the president of ukraine was inappropriate. she's not going to be shaken by this president's intimidation. no one so far from the state department has been. >> let's talk about alexander vindman. when he showed up in his dress blues, even walking in to testify in the scif, this country was impressed. what will they think of this guy showing up in his dress blues as a serving officer in the u.s. military basically in the national security council testifying against this president? what's that going to be like? >> well, lieutenant colonel vindman is the story of america. he's an immigrant from ukraine,