lead to putin. not only would we be screwing fowl zelensky and his government which was under duress but helping the people who put him under duress, putin. >> and this is the use of national security policy and most people in the trump administration support pushing back on vladimir putin and supporting the ukrainians. the second thing you just read, chris, is really important. one of the arguments out there is there was no pressure on zelensky, no quid pro quo. and what that testimony shows is they were feeling the pressure. they knew they were getting dragged into the muck of the 2020 re-election effort, and they didn't want to have anything to do with it. that's what ambassador taylor said before but what we released