interests and public trust for it's legal. can you tell in your reporting the phone call of july 25th with personal political gain. zelensky, the president of i think it's great this witness whether trump thinks it was okay ukraine, he heard the president makes the case. to do what he did to shakedown we'll hear more i'm sure. demand -- that was his verb -- zelensky for dirt on biden? does he think that was in his demand dirt on joe biden. power? how do you take that? >> based on my reporting talking thank you u.s. congressman, i don't know if you're allowed to the president's confidants to divulge that our not but it they believe he's such an joyce vance, and thank you may have been in his opening outsider, someone who's never katrina mulligan for your inside served in government when he statement. >> it was in his opening came into office he was willing statement. perspective on the atmospherics first of all, you don't need a to not only shatter the norms of quid pro quo for that alone to on the nsc in such situations. american politics but test the be illegal. limits of executive power. pressuring or even requesting coming up president trump aing and he did it in ways even his foreign assistance to participate or to help in impeachment witnesses. confidants say they're sometimes domestic re-election effort is catch this, double agents, deep alarmed he's not operating by the norms of the american illegal. that being said he did use words state conspirators, human scum. how long can republicans in presidency. and they even believe inside in the call transcript that this white house history will would also suggest a quid pro congress continue to defend such look back did he test it, did he quo. and of course that's illegal as ruthless attacks? and here's a good one, vice bring these institutions to the president mike pence struggles brink in how he was operating on well. so mr. vindman, colonel vindman to answer a simple question. foreign policy? >> okay, if that conversation was it appropriate for donald was legit, why did they squirrel was a first party participant to trump to ask ukrainians for dirt the call and could speak away in that terminal or on joe biden? directly about what was said and his inability to provide a whatever it was that was only good for hidesing stuff for what were the atmospherics for posterity, why did they hide it the call. >> katrina, i want you to come simple answer to a simple question is telling. plus new reporting that from conversation? in here and talk about the >> sunlight is the best republicans fear a wipeout in