he puts his own interests in front of the country's interest at every turn, and that was the ultimate. >> but you -- i don't even like the word -- you were a true believer. >> no. >> yet. because you fell for the birther thing. >> no, no, no, no. >> i'm sorry. where did you think obama was born? >> here. >> why did you say you thought he was born somewhere else? >> never did. never did, chris. i never was part of the whole birther thing. i stepped in it a couple of times and tweeted obama is a muslim, for which i am profoundly sorry. >> you never disputed his birth certificate? >> no, no, no. i was never part of the birther movement, never. i didn't love trump and i didn't like trump, i just didn't like hillary. i voted for trump in 2016, i didn't love him. i didn't like him. and then, chris, every month that went by, almost every word out of this president's mouth is a lie. i don't care what your politics are. >> so when this birther thing started, what was your position? >> i ignored it. i thought it was silly.