Disaster. The one guilty of kicking over the ladder that caused all the damage that single footedly turned the grand old party into the burn down the house party, leveling it down to the lowest level of public approval in its history. Just got that figure today. Ed rendell is the former governor of pennsylvania and nbc political analyst. Jonathan capehart writes for the Washington Post and is a msnbc analyst as well. There is a new poll shows how lousily they are viewed. The new poll, there is little in the findings in this poll for the gop to feel good about. You think . Just 32 of the public, less than a third, has a favorable view of the Republican Party. Thats an alltime low in that poll. 53 say republicans in congress were chiefly responsible for the shutdown. Governor, thank you for joining us tonight from here in philadelphia youre in a different location, thank you for letting me be here. My question, yourn, weve had a lot of hell in the country over the years. Weve had watergate, vietnam, iraq war. What do you think it was that registered with the middle of most voters except for the hard 30 on the hard right, what said to people the republicans are wrong . Well, because they were very destructive. And i think people down deep want government to work. And they saw an attempt to destroy the fabric of the government to do things that had no connection. Had the republicans made the stand based on debt about raising the debt limit, that would have been more understandable to the public. But they didnt like this political blackmail, political extortion. They thought it was just systemic of the breakdown in washington. And they focus blame on the republicans. I think it was the destructive nature of what they tried to do. Jonathan, it seems to me thats a great question. And the person of this political thuggery i call it because it really is extortion and were going to bring down the government if you dont do things our way and were going to kill your baby obama care unless you give us the government, basically. My question is to ted cruz. His personality, the way he speaks on television. I think its pretty frightening to people because it has that evangelical edge of fire and brimstone, ill bring down this temple if i have to, but im getting my way. Your thoughts. Yeah, well, i mean, hes able to do this for two reasons. One, hes got though moxie to go out there and throw bombs, throw grenades that get People Like Us talking about him. And in talking about things that his supporters and the Republican Party base care about and want to hear more about. But also stomping all over Leaders Within the party and within the conference remember when Senate Minority leader Mitch Mcconnell was announcing the deal that would reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling, at the same time ted cruz was talking to reporters about what went wrong. And the other thing about ted cruz and why i think and youve been saying this for awhile now that ted cruz is the leader of the Republican Party. Its because the real leaders of the party havent seen fit to smack him down, make him understand hes a first term senator and there are ways of doing things within senate and congress, ways of governing, of legislating that he needs to learn. No ones willing to do it. People are afraid of him. Until someone stands up to him of any stature, hell keep going. I have a theory about this, governor. Going back the last time a Political Party showed its face so dramatically that the public said wed rather have what we have now rather than that, usually when you pick somebody out of power, youll say well try somebody else. But in this case somebody else, the republican right wing, has said heres what we look like. It does remind me of the old sort of lou schwartz commercial about barry goldwater. My hunch is for the First Time Since 64, a Political Party out of power has showed its face and the people have pulled back. And said not that. Theres no question youre right. The only question is will this feeling that the nation has because theyve showed their true colors, will this feeling persist until a year from now when were about 2014 elections nap is a lot of time, a year in politics eons of time. Last night cruz continued to mock the party. Lets watch him in action. Heres cruz. Some of our friends in the media say there are a few people in washington saying some mean things. Who cares . Because at the end of the day i dont work for the party bosses in washington. First of all, there are elected leaders of the house and senate are elected. We have a democracy. And how do you play victim when youre the one trying to bring down the u. S. Government . Most demagogues use righteous indignation. Ill give the list but itll get me in trouble. Theyre always the same. Theyre all coming to beat us up, the whole world is coming to beat us up. They all play that game whether its huey long. Have you noticed the call for sympathy from his troops . Your thoughts. His troops are folks who feel very, very aggrieved about whats happening to the country, where they think the country is going, and how the country is escaping them. What is their grievance . Honestly i cant tell you what problems they have in terms of people trying to the president pushing to get access to health care for millions of americans who dont have it. Oh, thats not it. Come on, youre being very clinical here. You think his beef with obama is health care . You think thats really it . No, no, no. Senator cruzs beef is not with the president solely on health care. Its a whole lot of things that when you ask folks in the far right specifics, they cant really get into specifics. They just dont like this president. And they dont like what they represent and they dont like the direction they think hes pushing the country in. And they think its the wrong direction. And ted cruz taps into that anger. You know, that anger is wasted energy if the folks they send to congress dont do anything with it. If they continue on these misguided strategies that lead to nowhere except for filling the campaign of the demagogues. Anyway, youre a gentleman too often sometimes, jonathan. Heres what former Vice President dick cheney has hitched to the right wing clown car. We know why hes doing it. Hes got a daughter running as a tea partier. But he said it wasnt the tea partiers who are extremists. Its the president. Heres dick cheney. The frustration out there is very, very high. So when i see people talking about the tea party, i dont think the tea party as extremists the way some of the folks in washington say. The extremist in washington is barack obama. Hes the guy that wants to fundamentally transform our health care system. Hes the guy whos done enormous damage to america in the world. I believe its the president of the United States. Okay. Governor, he had the advantage there of sticking it into a political opponent and looking out for his daughter. Thats a nice position to be in, but i dont believe a word he says. Hes the most hawkish type. Hes a Big Government guy. Hes establishment. Hes been in leadership his whole life. Now hes portraying himself as some saudi buster from wyoming with a pitch fork. I think its to get his daughter elected to the senate. I dont want to listen to this nonsense. Your thoughts. The problem is even when they make their arguments they lie. They say hes an extremist on health care. They want to take over governmentrun health care. This is anything but governmentrun health care. We keep the insurance companies, the basic system of health care, you keep your own doctor. If there was a government takeover, we would have done single payer. And the president rejected single payer. He rejected the public option as an alternative. So the president was conservative in his approach to Health Care Reform. Theyre lying to people when they try to say this is a government takeover. Its anything but a government takeover. Do you think that the heritage town days who came up with the idea of the individual mandate, do you think they have an operators manual to lend the president to show how they do this. They helped with the concept. If they believed in the concept, of course we know theyre political. Right. Governor . Oh. Oh, im sorry jonathan. I was going to say you hit the head on the nail, chris. This is a conservative idea. It leads to a whole bunch of other things that republicans and conservatives used to believe in, but dont believe in anymore simply because president obama either adopted them, put his arms around them, or asked him i like that idea come work with me and they refused to do it. Whats the latest Heritage Foundation Health Care Plan . Im being sarcastic. There aint one, is there . They dont have anything. The new usa today Princeton Research poll asked what the reaction would be if most of the members of congress were replaced. Half said it would change congress for the better. Governor, do you believe people when it comes to next year will do what they want to do. Throw the people out. I dont know how you do it in our gerrymandered districts. When you vote just to get even with the current guy. Probably not. Maybe the burbs will switch. Where will they switch . Thats the question. The argument we now make, the democrats, is you may like your congress, he may be moderate but as long as hes there the tea party is going to be able to extort the government because the republicans will control and they wont bring progressive bills to the floor. Even if you like your congressman, youve got to vote them out of office. Thats a very good argument. Jon than, your thoughts. Can moderate democrats replace moderate republicans so they can get more votes for pelosi and fewer for boehner . I think the governor raises a good point and a good strategy. Its just a matter of whether you can get enough democrats out there to vote out the moderates and bring in the democrats. This is going to be actually a very big test for the democratic party. Its the first itll be the first election that the president is not on the ballot. And midterm elections as we know, fewer voters come out to vote. Fewer democrats come out to vote. The electorate is older and whiter. But if democrats want anything to get done in congress, want the president s agenda to move forward, theyre going to have to come out in the numbers they did in 2012 to send a clear message that they like the direction the country is going in. They want the president to succeed and to push forward on their agenda. And they Want Congress to work again. That is one person who can drive that out and that is barack obama. You got it. Also the other campaigner in chief, your friend, bill clinton. He can do it too. Hes the best there is. Thank you ed rendell and jonathan capehart. Coming up, the republican alternative universe. You dont know what color the sky is here. The shutdown was good politics and default would have been better and the whole train wreck was a huge success. Wait until how you hear these people are talking. Also, the haters of president obama are making up stories about Affordable Care act. What happened when someone checked with people who said their lives were ruined by obama care and we find out they werent telling the whole story. The rocky rollout didnt escape jon stewart in the daily show. And let me finish with my hopes of the party this december. This is hardball, the place for politics. Thanks to the shutdown were getting septembers unemployment report a couple weeks late. The economy created 148,000 jobs last month and the Unemployment Rate ticked down again to 7. 2 . A new low. Those dont reflect the numbers of the shutdown and the brinksmanship of republicans over default. Well have to find out what that effect was in next months report. R matching creme right where you need it. Then rinse. In ten minutes zap those grays and get on with your day. Nice n easy root touchup. In ten minutes zap those grays and get on with your day. You know, from our 4,000 television commercials. Yep, there i am with flo. 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They showed and it was brilliant how they played it. Funding 80 of the government starting with defund all the government except obama care then fund all of government but obama care. I think republicans played this beautifully but there was no point to carrying it on any longer. The lesson that needs to be learned is we need to reelect republicans. Some day somebody is going to do a psychological study of why that act works. Shes not alone. Matt kibbe tweeted this week, quote, the Government Shutdown and the debt ceiling crisis were brilliant republican strategy. And last week, the other person Michele Bachmann answered the question whether the shutdown was worth it by saying quote, absolutely. I think its worth it. Its been worth it because what we did was we fought the right fight. The shutdown has caused the republican favorability to drop to an alltime low. Eight of ten americans disapprove of the shutdown and blame the republicans for it. Joan walsh and ron reagan. Both of you, take your turns. First of all, explain the phenomenon of ann coulter. My theory is shes able to say anything that comes to mind and shes brilliant at the provocation she starts because nobody can fire her. Which is great for her. But this notion that somehow this has been a swell, exciting period of their lives. That this has worked out for them. Its amazing how they can ape reality. Go ahead, your thoughts, joan. Because, you know, shes playing to the most paranoid extremist fringe of the party. And shes telling them what they want to hear. Thats been her act all along. I know people who like her and say she doesnt mean it. That makes it worse to me, if thats the case. I think she means it. But this is how she gets rich. Thats an interesting question. I have a theory that the dorky guys on wall street walk down the street carrying one of her books like they have a machine gun. It makes them kind of dangerous. And ann coulter is on their side in attacking those awful godless liberals. Were the problem. Its really quite cynical and corrupt. And beyond ann coulter, i think its also just this strategy of never itll the truth, always lie, and always say that youre winning. And always convince the media and to some extent it doesnt quite work, but to some extent sometimes it carries the day that they never have to admit that theyve completely bollocks everything. Do you think shell put othe code that this is all nonsense. Maybe on her death bed with lee atwater. I think a lot of people will tell the truth like he did at the very end. Maybe. Lets not say bad of the dead. Anyway hey, were all going there. Im not wishing it on her, dear. Slow down on the commentary on the dead and being dead. I dont want to be there. Ron, what do you think of this alternative universe. What color is the sky in your world when i hear people talking like Michele Bachmann saying what a beautiful week we had. Look at the polls. Your partys back to prelincoln numbers. Its true. I suppose this was a good strategy if your aim was to have your party be about as popular as hepatitis b. I mean, thats where they are at this point. But it has been part of the mythology of the far right forever, really. They really arent a minority. That they really are the majority of the country. And somehow if they lose elections and even though they take the house of representatives, they did some with a million fewer votes than democratic candidates. But despite all that, despite all those inconvenient facts that you allude to, somehow they are the majority of the country. Somehow they really are winning. And if everything was really fair to their mind, they would win all the elections. Its nonsense, of course, that these people are magical thinkers. They believe all sorts of things that arent true. What about where you give black americans 3 5 of a vote, then you do the mathematics. I havent done it lately to see what that would mean. It might mean a right wing tend to be democrats. Maybe only give them 3 5 of a vote. Maybe that explains it. One of the best things that could happen is that the Republican Party indeed split into at least two groups. One, the tea party, then the old republican white shoe country club bankers and Insurance Company kind of corporate type republicans. Let them do their thing. Let the tea party do their thing, but in an isolated fashion. Then well see how Many Americans really believe in death panels and birtherisms and all the rest of that nonsense. It may be as much as 25 . At least theyd have their own party and theyd be isolated. That would be a better thing for everybody. Yeah. Well, let me go back to this. The polls do show the Republican Partys in trouble because of tactics championed by ted cruz like the shutdown. Cruz throws out his own idea of whos responsible for the republican death march. Lets listen in the leader here. The single most damaging thing that has happened to republicans for 2014 is all of the Senate Republicans coming out attacking the house republicans, attacking those pushing the effort to defund obama care, and lining themselves up opposite the american people. Wow. Former congressman tom delay told a right wing radio show if only republicans had held out longer, they would have won this fight. Instead he said they lost because president obama stood firm and they didnt. He they would firm and he wins. That ought to be the lesson here that people understand. If the republicans had who knows what would have happened. I think the republicans would have won. What i was noticing sitting out here in reality land was that it was starting to have an effect. The poll numbers for obama as well as the democrats were going down. People were starting to understand that obama and the democrats wouldnt negotiate. You know, its funny. Its not funny. Its ludicrous. But does he expect people already forgot the day after the republicans threw in the towel the government was about to default. It wasnt like they had a lot of wiggle room. No. He says if theyd only held out. Does he think maybe hes forgotten a week ago. How can history be so distant when its just a week ago. If theyd gone another day, we dont know what would have happened to the World Economics and where the United States would be. I think boehner at the last second got a vote out of his majority and the democratic majority. And if he hadnt done it then, i dont know what would have happened. Now here the guy comes out of retirement saying all you had to do was keep it up. Off the cliff. Hes delusional. Bubbles within bubbles within bubbles. The political bubble, the social bubble, then finally down to the fact that theyre really the religious right. That bubble that they live in. But they dont see the world the way we do. They dont look at the facts the way we do. They only listen to their own friends. They only listen to their own media, tweet with their own twitter friends or whatever. And they think some of them do they think that their universe is the universe. When, of course, sadly for them its not. Anyway, i hope tom delay runs for congress again and come back in and youll get a daily newspaper subscription out of it and be able to keep up. Thank you joan walsh and ron reagan. Up next, what happened when the daily show decided to figure out whats wrong with healthcare. Gov. This is hardball, the place for politics. Theyre saying that if you are in need of health care you have two choices. Wait for the site fixed or enroll in medical school, graduate, and take care of yourself. Probably faster that way. Weve had some of the best talent join the team. Were well into a tech surge to fix the problem. A surge . Your website is so [ bleep ] we have to use the same strategy we used to salvage the iraq war . Time now for the sideshow. That was jimmy kimmel and jon stewart last night on the rocky rollout of healthcare. Gov. But the daily show went further and sent john oliver to take a closer look at the websites glitches. Unfortunately for oliver, he got trapped inside. Heres what happened next. Listen, have you tried just hitting escape . Thank you, that was the first thing i tried. That was the first thing. All right. My best hope is that theyre going to begin to fix in some way oh, no. Jon, ive got to get out of here. Is that what i think it is . How old is this software, jon . Wow that was unbelievable well, the website is very busy, so i cant get you help right now. Please. Hes coming back, jon. No, no next up, heres some new evidence that the Tea Party Wing of the gop is alienating moderates in its own party. Carlo key was a republican judge from san antonio, texas, but today announced that hell seek reelection as a democrat. And judging by his video, its pretty here he blames fellow Texan Ted Cruz for taking the gop in the wrong direction. I believe that justice demands fairness. It requires careful and intelligence probing of evidence. And above all else, justice can only be served without prejudice towards race, color, creed, or whom we choose to love. That is why i can no longer be a member of the Republican Party. For too long the Republican Party has been at war with itself. Rational republican beliefs have given way to ideological character assassinations. Pragmatism and make no mistake. I have not left the Republican Party. It left me. Finally, conan obrien is a cable news viewer because last night he put together this tribute video which includes my colleagues and a catchy theme song. With the latest government crisis, all the pundits on cable news channels have had so much to work with, so much to talk about. But remember they dont just do a lot of talking on cable news. They also do a lot of listening. So here, ladies and gentlemen, is our tribute to those unsung heroes, the listeners on cable news. Up next, the haters are so bent on destroying the Affordable Care act that theyre now making up stories about it. When we return, someone who actually spoke with people who said obama care was ruining their lives even though the truth was very different. Youre watching hardball, the place for politics. Im milissa rehberger. The irs is delaying the start of next years tax season by two welcome back to hardball. The problems with the Health Care Rollout have been well documented. But president obamas signature achievement has been under assault from the right wing since legislation was first drafted in 2009. Even though it was passed by both houses of congress, upheld by the supreme court, and debated in the 2012 election, again the law remains a target of republicans who show they have no bigger priority than to bring down the law and the president with it. To this end, the right has manufactured myths and misinformation about the law. They include socalled victims of a law that hasnt taken effect yet. With me now is eric stern who investigated suspect actually Horror Stories told my couples on tv. Lets watch the first. We just got our letter from our insurance carry that our policy is going to be terminated and were going to be transitioned to an aca policy because it has to include essential health care benefits. We dont even have insurance for our daughter who has a preexisting condition. So were looking at probably 20,000 in premiums next year. Eric, as paul harvey would say, lets hear the rest of this story. Whats the truth there . Well, the truth is that they are paying a lot for insurance. But they hadnt checked the exchange and in fairness the exchange was down, but, you know, the Kaiser Family foundation has had the Exchange Prices available on the internet for two or three minutes. Why they didnt talk about that, i dont know. But there was ample opportunity for her to check the exchange. In fact, she would have done well. She would have paid about half of what shes paying now. So whats the problem . Whose problem was it . Fox tvs presentation of it . The persons failure to present their entire personal story . Or what . Remember, these are six people who are big fox news fans. Its how they got on the show to begin with. They are conservatives. They were asked during that segment if any of them voted for obama and all of them shook their heads. And so basically whose fault is it . Sean hannitys for presenting them as evidence of an obama care problem. There is no doubt there why wait. Theyre not but theyre not robots. Why did they participate . You mean political animosity toward the president . Is that what were watching here . Perhaps. One of the couples i talked to said they dont like this obama care. Theyre not going to go on the exchange because they dont like obama, they dont like obama care. Theyre not going anywhere near the exchange. So not exactly open minded. So basically, you know, its just kind of a setup. It was hannity creating his own little village. Well, im not sure its all his fault. Heres someone else who says theyve been a victim of the Affordable Care act. You tell me about this case. We received a letter from our Insurance Company stating that we would no longer be able to have our existing health plan despite the president s promise that we would be able to keep that existing plan. As a business we are jumping through more hoops, more regulation, more paperwork. And weve also cut back on hiring fulltime employees because of the Health Care Cost even though wed love to do that. Whats the truth and untruths there, eric . That womans husband was that mrs. Cox . I think her husband, i spoke to him briefly right. And after she spoke, he talked about how he has to cut back on his workforce and he cant hire fulltime workers. He has to keep them all at parttime because he cant afford it because of obama care. I called and said i just watched you on fox news. I have a few questions. One of the questions i asked him is how many employees do you have . He said four. Obama care doesnt apply to Small Businesses with the employer mandate does not apply to Small Businesses with under 50 employees. So that speaks for itself. Well, whatd he mean . He cant hire 47 more employees . Is that what it means . Its ludicrous. He was willing to jump from four to 47 more which would have made it 51. Im serious here. Youre laughing, but this is serious business. It may be sarcastic to you, but these people are either misleading fox it looks to me like they have not told even sean their right story. Why are they saying this stuff . Its possible they didnt tell sean the right story. Or its possible sean has never heard of the socratic method. I heard hannity talk about his upcoming segment and i decided to watch because ive been listening and hearing for a year now people like ted cruz saying obama care is destroying america. He never gives an example. So i saw this as a real opportunity to i agree with you. I like what youre doing here. Heres another case you point out of people here who say the Affordable Care act is causing their financial pain. Lets listen to this couple. Our new policy, anything similar with rise between 50 to 72 and will have things in it like we have no choice. Like well have to have maternity benefits. Were not planning on having any more kids. And going to have to have pediatric eye care and things like that. Our kids are all away from home. So its not a plan that you need. Eric, your thoughts. What do you know from following up with that case . That was robby and tina robeson. Nice folks. They pay 850 a month, 875 a month. They got a letter like Many Americans saying that their plan was being altered to become aca compliant and there might be a rate change. And their belief is that the rates will increase and that therefore, that represents something that an untruth that obama told when he said that americans will be able to keep their health plans. Now, tina and robby said they have no interest in looking at the exchange because they are philosophically opposed to obama care. You know, a bronze plan on the exchange in their zip code costs it would be a significant savings to them. As would other plans. And there are plans on the exchange where they might not save that much. But there is at least the opportunity for them to go on and shop. And they didnt even want to do it. So what they were they were using the letter they got as evidence of sort of an obama care failure. And thats it. Okay. Thank you so much for this. I love this reporting. Thank you eric stern. Checking up on what other people are saying. Coming up, Patrick Kennedy on Mental Health and stopping gun violence on people who shouldnt have guns because they have mental problems. Well be right back after this. Two weeks to go in the marquee matchup of this years elections. The race for governor of virginia. This weekend Hillary Clinton campaigned alongside terry mcauliffe. It was her First Campaign event in nearly five years. And bill clinton will spend three days on the stump for his old friend starting this sunday. Meanwhile, Michael Bloomberg is pouring more than a Million Dollars into the race on mcauliffes behalf. The Richmond Times dispatch that usually endorses republicans chose not to endorse anyone for governor rather than back ken cuccinelli. Bad news for the republicans. 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All of my cousins who grew up without a father were also victims. Thats what we lose sight of. Its not just the kids killed up in newtown or in colorado. Its all their families. Were back. 50 years ago this month, president john f. Kennedy signed a community Mental Health act which laid the ground work for todays Mental Health policies. Now former rhode island congressman Patrick Kennedy is following in his uncles footsteps to advance the cause president kennedy started way back in 63. The Mental Health issue has taken on a critical urgency in light of recent mass shootings. The parents of Jared Loughner told deputies he did not get a Mental Health evaluation even after officials admitted it. Loughner killed six people at an event for Gabrielle Giffords who was the primary target of the attack but survived. After his arrest, two medical evaluations diagnosed him as paranoid schizophrenic. At the university of colorado. Prior to the Movie Theater massacre. But he was never placed in institutional care. Adam lanza was to formed of Mental Illness on his part. Adam lanza was dyinged with before aaron alexis killed 12 people in a Navy Yard Shooting recently. He complained of insomnia and said he suffering from im honored personally to be the emcee at their first event at the president ial Kennedy Library up in boston. One thing that has united this country and a concern youve been involved with for some time is Mental Health. Now even the far right who are very concerned about gun rights are saying wait a minute lets look at Mental Health. Your thoughts about that strange connection now between the right and your position dealing with Mental Health finally. I dont think its strange, chris, obviously theyre more interested in their nra report cards than they are about whether we actually solve the problem. Solving the problem is twofold. We need to address the access to guns in our society. But we also need to improve the system of care for brain illnesses. So by the way, i suffer from brain illnesses. I have Mental Health problems, if you will. Thats filled with connotations and i want to say it because the only way were going to change attitudes is for those of us who are in recovery to talk about the fact that we all have a brain and we always will face situations where our brain, like any other organ in our body will not work optimally, so we need a health care system, chris, that reimburses for the kinds of checkups from the neck up, just like we get checkups for your blood pressure, cholesterol, just like all the other Health Issues, we need a system that pays for this Mental Health. Because what happened in all those cases you identified in the top of your introduction is that we knew they were suffering, but we did nothing about it because Mental Health in our country is treated differently than if those people would suffering from a heart attack or a stroke, we would have rushed to take care of them. Because their Health Issues are in their brain, we looked at it as a mental issue, rather than a health issue. The guy or woman you see on the corner whos schizoid and the person whos got an addiction problem. Because every family, i tell you, i dont know which one doesnt, has someone in the family with an addiction problem. But i have never heard it categorized as a Mental Illness problem. We all have a brain in common, so whether you an intellectual disability, or an addiction problem or a mental ill john kennedy talked about this and he didnt segregate people with intellectual disabilities from those with with serious Mental Illness. They both share common celts of needs. So, chris, what we need to do now that we have Health Care Reform is articulate what is useful to someone not only with a Mental Illness, bipolar, schizophrenia, but also someone with an addiction, or any kind of addiction, Substance Abuse disorder and someone who might have an intellectual disability, we all need to be connected with community, we all need to be connected with friends and family. Our veterans are the most dramatic example of what were not doing right. So here they come home, we call their wounds invisible wounds. Theres nothing invisible about their traumatic brain injury and the stress that they experience which literally changes the neurophysiology in their brain. Yet our country stills calls these invisible wounds. Then we dont give them a purple heart. Then we tell them, because most of them are not, frankly in the va, theyre in the private insurance market, and we tell them, go fight for your care. If they had been suffering from agent orange or cancer, we know how to deal with medical issues, but we dont know how to look at the brain as a medical issue and thats what we need to change. Thank you for your passion and thank you for telling us whats going on. Ill see you tomorrow night patrick kenny. I think youve got a new ally, eric cantor, because when they had the shutdown at the nih, he started making some noise. To finally admit that the fact that the nih does some good work. When we return, let me finish with my host with some serious talks about this budget thing. I think they can get something done this december. Call me an optimist, this is hardball, the place for politics. Need a spoon, dear . Not anymore. What . My silverware isnt good enough for you . Have have you seen it . Yes, i have seen it, and it looks you gotta look better. Ladies, breathe. Cascade kitchen counselor here. Its not your silverware. Its likely your detergent. 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