Say he said the news is not the news. The poll results are just what, quote, an awful lot of obama supporters have to say. Listen to this. If you seek out liberal obama supporters and ask their views, theyre going to tell you theyre liberal obama supporters. That does not reflect where the American Public are. I award the firstever karl rove award. People with facts the loss of political innocence simply deny the facts as presented. Rove did it to his own election Analysis Team at fox. Cruz is now doing it to the wall street journal and nbc. Its called blaming the messenger. Meanwhile, back in the real world, the president must decide how to deal with the changing republican positions. If they offer a clean six week debt extension bill but refuse to reopen the government, does he sign it . If they do both, does he sign it . Even though it brings the ransom problem back before thanksgiving. And what if the House Republicans decide to extend the debt limit, reopen the government, but add a Provision Requiring some debt reduction. The whole idea of a six week extension to simply create more time for republicans to pressure obama to break. I, of course, if i were the president play hardball. David corn and jonathan capehart, both msnbc contributors. I guess the question i want to start with the president s situation. David, im really curious what you think. Of all the options, a clean cr, a clean debt extension, would he go with that if its only six weeks or does that say were kicking the can down to the next block some time before thanksgiving . Well, i think he certainly would sign the bill if they do that. Jay carney just came out of the white house not too long ago and basically gave the republicans no corner. They said again and again we will not negotiate on the threat of the shutdown. Bringing us to the middle of thanksgiving, it wont work as well. He was very firm. The president did talk to john boehner this afternoon. We didnt know exactly what occurred in that conversation. Finally boehner got the conversation he wanted. But the president s holding firm that he will not be extorted. Now at the end of the day to prevent default, he might give in on something. But does lets go back but heres the im not sure hes there yet. Heres the tough one. If he signs the sixweek, isnt he agreeing to this drum roll and another deadline and another drum roll and another deadline and the threat of more pressure on him to give in to something . He may be. But if hes not giving up anything in response to that, just saying these guys need another six weeks to get their act together. And see the numbers plummet more in a wall street journal poll, thats the best we can do now. Ill take that. Jonathan, how will people read on obama agreement to a sixweek agreement which means were right back at this in six weeks . Well, i mean, it depends. As david just laid out, it depends on whether there are conditions attached to that bill that the president would sign. Hes been clear he wants a clean continuing resolution, a clean debt ceiling bill. And the president had said at least up until today that, you know, if it was a shortterm deal meaning it was undefined, that he would sign it. You know, i think the American People are tired, certainly the president is tired of lurching from crisis to crisis. But when youre smacked up against both a Government Shutdown and potentially defaulting for the first time in the history of the United States, if youre the president and youre presented a clean debt ceiling bill and a clean continuing resolution to reopen the government, youd be hard pressed not to sign it. Okay. You mean you want both. Sure. Reopen the government is a minimal condition for the president. Reopen the government and continue the extending debt ceiling another six weeks. Okay. By the way, going back to david on this. Same question. Are you assuming he has to get both or could he agree to just the extension but leave the Government Shutdown. Im serious. This is a tough question for him. If he gets anything clean, it buys time. He will sign it, he can still say this is mickey mouse. Im only doing this to prevent a default. The republicans have to get their act together and deal longterm and get the Government Back open. But to prevent a default, he will sign a clean bill without conditions. Let me give an alternative opinion. This based on the fact the republicans are on a run now. It wont ever be as good as it is now for him to pound these guys and put them up against the wall. This is the nbc wall street journal poll that cruz is trying to deny. It shows the public have delivered a rebuke of the Republican Partys hostage taking strategy on the debt limit and the Government Shutdown. We brought you those results last night and today they are spread all around capitol hill like wildfire. Here they are again. This is why i think he needs to press now. And dont deal with the shortterm. The blame for this shutdown falled squarely on the Republican Party and not the president , by a huge margin. 22 . The Republican Party favorable falls to an all time low. President obama is in a relatively good position. And look at this. The popularity of the Health Care Law has increased by seven points. The pollsters behind this survey both called the results jaw dropping. Back to you, david. Given the fact he has the best numbers hes ever had, the opponent bs have the weakest numbers theyve had. Isnt this the time to say youve got five days. Reopen the government, stop pussyfooting around, stop the mickey mouse and do it. By the way, extend the debt ceiling. Do it now. The leverage he has today is indeed high and great. As you get towards midnight on the 17th, it will go down. I believe hell keep pounding them. As i said, carney came out today and didnt really change the president s firm position. There are conversations going on. Maybe theres some give there, but we dont know. I think hell keep pounding the republicans. But i think at the end of the day, if the best they give him is the temporary extension, he will not let the nation default. But i think until that point, he will keep pressing for more and use his political leverage that he seems to have amassed. Jonathan, can you cure an addict by giving him another fix . No. But heres the thing. And i want to expand on something that david just said. Hes right. The president has it as good as hes going to get right now with these poll numbers. But lets say, you know, a week from today we are staring at the destruction at the full faith and credit of the United States. Those numbers, the president s advantage will disappear exponentially as the days go on. In times of crisis, the American People are not going to be looking at Speaker John Boehner or Senate Majority leader harry reid or nancy pelosi or Mitch Mcconnell in the senate. Theyre going to be looking to the president of the United States to solve the problem, to fix the emergency. And so thats why, you know, i think the next six days are going to be critical for the white house. Well, some republicans on capitol hill saw the writing on the wall including john mccain who reacted to the poll on fox yesterday. Today. Here he is. Look at the wall street journal poll. Wall street journal is not a liberal organization. Look at the poll this morning. 24 of the American People approve of republicans. Thats an alltime low. We better wake up. Were in serious situation right here, and we better wake up and we better try to come to an agreement salvaging something out of this. David, it seems to me were reaching again, i know were pounding away at this. But a situation where john mccain has come out and said cruz youre out to lunch. These polls are real. Stop blaming the ref. And youre beginning to look ridiculous. The poll is probably the most respected poll in the country. Its always been where it is. And it gives information to both parties. Theres mccain saying yes. Yes. You know, nobody not even john mccain is going to convince ted cruz or the 30 or 40 members of the Kamikaze Club in the Tea Party House of representatives that theyre wrong and they should change course. Thats not going to happen. What can happen is because of poll results like this, other members of the party whether its john mccain, whether its peter king in the house, put enough pressure on boehner and even on mcconnell to fix this thing before the republican brand gets even more tarnished. Thats where the action is. Youre never going to get the people who came to town to destroy government to feel bad about destroying government. It hurts him as well. With the help of television help you make your point. In addition to cruz, other Tea Party Republicans continue to operate in their chamber. They dont seem to care the country is suffering. Heres a representative from louisiana. He said quote, we knew going into this we would get most of the blame. We get most of the blame anyway, that shouldnt keep us from doing the right thing. Hes not alone. With breitbart news, rand paul said, i think its untenable position to take to say he wont negotiation. To throw a temper tantrum and say i wont give up anything i want. Whats he trying to present here . The notion of the president being a spoiled child that doesnt want to negotiate . The only thing they want to negotiate is how to dismember the child that this president created obama care, health care. Well give you a tax increase and we want entitlement reform. The soviet union used to do that. That was an old game we all laughed at. Here are the guys coming on who are anticommunists. But theyre saying whatst ours is ours, the tax levels. And whats yours is negotiable. Republicans in congress dont want to recognize the fact that one of the reasons why were in this situation is because the president from the first term always tried to meet republicans halfway. Sometimes more than halfway. Sometimes giving them the concessions they wanted before they actually started negotiating. Now, though, having learned his lessons particularly from the 2011 debt ceiling crisis, the president decided not doing this anymore. Not going the to do it. And after presenting a budget that puts entitlement cults on the table, the president says ive conceded enough. Youre going to have to meet me halfway now and the republicans cant take it. They thought president obama would cave or concede in the way he had before, and he hasnt. Why dont we go halfway with the birthers and say i wasnt born in kenya, i was born in nigeria. At some point you say this is an attack personally on me. By the way, its obama. That part of it they hate the most. The obama, not the care. Thank you. Coming up, republicans are happy to embrace tea party when it made them the majority, but now many fear the sezealots are bringing them down. And ted cruz told the values voters summit today hes not giving up. And all over washington democrats are enjoying the fact. And the crushing nbc news wall street journal poll, how republicans are l try to get back on their feet and how democrats plan to keep their foot on the republican throat. Let me finish tonight with the fond memory of better times, and they were. This is hardball, the place for politics. [ banker ] sydney d some Financial Guidance so she could take her dream to the next level. So we talked about her options. Her valuable assets were staying. And selling her car wouldnt fly. We helped sydney manage her debt and prioritize her goals, so she could really turn up the volume on her dreams today. And tomorrow. 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If theres one thing by shutting down the government, its this. He has succeeded in dividing the Republican Party. The critics from his own party keep piling on now. King says cruzs tactics have had the opposite of their intended effect. No one has done more to strengthen obama care than ted cruz. Since he started this crusade of his, the fact is over the last ten days support for obama care has gone up 7 in the country. Not because obama care is working, not because its played out well at all, but because he has given such a bad image to the antiobama care forces. So president obama and the supporters of obama care should thank ted cruz because he is their biggest ally right now. Conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer says he wasnt ready for the ride the took people on. How exactly was he going to achieve abolition of obama care . Explain that to the me. Has he efr explained it . And where is he now . Are the generals . Whats their strategy to get abolition of obama care . And Haley Barbour said of cruzs attempt to stop the Health Care Law, quote, it never had a chance. And hes a smart fellow. Eugene robinson is a columnist for the Washington Post and msnbc analyst. Tim saltz worked for Mike Huckabee back in 2008. Whats happening to your party in light of the cruz mission which was to go after obama care, if you will, a phrase he doesnt mind using. I prefer Affordable Care act. Its an act of law. And tying it to the debt ceiling, tying it to the Government Shutdown. Was that a smart strategy politically and what has it done . Has it detonated your party . I like senator cruz, but i agree with some of the previous ones. He never had a game plan to win. He picked a fight. I also have a strategy to win them once i pick them. Hes started this hornets nest and left my friends in the House Holding the bag. Because there was no path to victory on this. Instead of letting obama care fall under its own weight which is what a lot of republicans thought would happen, hes picked the fight. Hes become the bad guy, and now its become personal and thats hurt our party a bit. Let me ask gene about this. Analytically, can you decipher whether cruz is a smart guy at least academically. He did pull an upset in texas. Did he think obama was weak in the knees and if he pushed hard, obama would give a piece of obama care back . Or did he want something that would all explode and everybody would be jumping around like it has happened . What was he planning . I have no idea. Look, i think people are starting to wonder, you know, number one, did they ov overestimate . He seems like a really clever guy, but this never made sense. This never made one iota of sense that president obama would voluntarily renounce his biggest legislative accomplishment. It was never going to happen. Lets figure why he made the mistake. Its smart to learn. Im going to go back to chip on this question. You know, back in the 60 campaign nixon thought he could carry the south because all the business guys out there, business guys with some money in their pockets were all downtown atlanta that day. And he got the idea because theyre applauding him, im going to carry georgia. Im going to break this solid south. He didnt. He was misled by leading indicators. Was cruz overwhelmed by all the applause meters at all those right wing events and town Hall Meetings thinking that echo chamber was the congress . It was the world . Is that what happened to him . Maybe visions of 16 kind of blinded him. Like how does he win before 14 and especially this with obama care. When youre trying to figure what was going to be a win, i think at that point they felt like getting it delayed for a year, defunding it. Using that as a way to delay it for a year to negotiate things out might be a win. But i think he overplayed that hand a bit. I have Great Respect for senator cruz. I dont think they thought it through to say, okay, this is not just one senator that can stop this. Its two chambers. The democrats control the senate. The democrats control the white house. I think theyre afraid of him, afraid to tell him hes wrong. Ive never seen a guy so brilliantly good at pointing the finger. So nobody stood up to him in this whole buildup to this fight. Well, you know, the senate didnt used to be that way, right . A kid coming in first term couldnt make this much noise. Maybe it had something to do with the fact that Mitch Mcconnell, the minority leader in the senate who keeps discipline normally is looking over his shoulder at a tea Party Challenge and perhaps felt that he couldnt tell senator cruz, look, this is not going to work. And this is not the way were going to do it. But, you know, i wonder how long people are going to be saying what chip just said. I respect senator cruz. I think he has lost a lot of respect. He certainly lost a lot of friendship and potential allies on the hill. I dont know how much that means to him, but this has not been a good week for him. Lets take a look at this. He told the New York Times ted cruz is making life difficult for potential republican president ial candidates in 2016. Quote, cruz is trying to start a wave of salem witch trials in the gop on the shutdown and obama care. And that fear is impacting on some peoples calculations on 2016. Is one of your motives fear . Is this the kind of guy over in old iraq, you dont want to get eye contact with this guy in a restaurant, you know . Is that it . The reason i like him and the reason i respect him is hes not afraid to stand up for what he believes even if hes one of a hundred. I like that. But when you pick a fight even if youre one out of a hundred, you better have the ability to say this is a win. If it was delay obama care, that was a win. If it was to get the budget numbers back to 189 billion, thats a win. But when he was in the senate conference, a couple day laters a senator stood up and said how do we get out of this mess . How do we get out of here . He didnt have an answer. So not only did he not have a way to win, he didnt have a window to climb out of to get away from it. Right . There was no exit here. And thats important in politics. I think as you were talking about 16, were going to have to elect and nominate somebody. If it was Hillary Clinton, somebody formidable, but somebody who has a record of getting things done. And all of a sudden getting things done is a bad thing, thats not good for the party longterm. Did you notice how good rand paul was . I look at this from left and right, look how successful his filibuster real filibuster was against drones and use of drones. They cheered that across the political spectrum. Where cruz comes with a faux or imitation filibuster which nobody gave credit to. Is this a difference in ability . I get the feeling that rand paul has political ability for the big show, the presidency, that this guy doesnt have. I know rand a lot better than senator cruz. I worked with him before. Hes very smart. He gets the entire spectrum of conservative liberal moderates. And he understands the success of a win. And he was able to find what a win would be. And he was able to accomplish that and especially at the media level but also the grassroots level. Gene, last word. Does this help rand paul . I think it does. Puts him more in the middle. Yeah, i think it helps him a lot today at the value voters summit. He was talking about foreign policies, trying to establish his credibility in that sphere. I think hes looking better to that segment of the party. Okay. Thanks so much Eugene Robinson and chip saltsman. Coming up next, i was the guest on the tonight show. There i am. This is hardball, the place for politics. [ susan ]. As though he had never left. The end. Lovely read susan. 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Congress has never been less popular. In fact, this new poll found that americans have a better opinion of zombies than members of congress. Which is weird because theyre not that different from each other. I mean, not take a look. First we have zombies with creepy discolored skin. While congress has john boehner. Very orangelike skin. Here are zombies, do a lot of moaning. Congress does a lot of postponing. And last, zombies will destroy civilization as we know it. Congress, give it a few more days. There you go. Well, i was on the tonight show last night to talk about my new book tip and the gipper. And we discussed the sorry state in washington these days. Do you think obama and boehner, do they hate each other . Like each other . I dont think they have the relationship. What the president does is strange. If you were president of the United States, wouldnt you invite people over and work them . Thats what reagan did. He had parties for tip oneill. He had birthday parties at the white house. He had tip to his birthday party. They had st. Patricks day parties every year. What was the favorite picture last year in the campaign . That people liked . It was Chris Christie on the beach with obama. And everybody in the country said thats what government is. When you Work Together across party lines for something really important. When sandy hit. And they just wanted their parents to get along. Thats really what it comes down to. You know . I agree. Tonight ill be on hbos realtime with bill maher. Next, senator rand paul had some Product Placement in his remarks this morning at the value voters summit in d. C. In a joke the senator said he drives a toyota prius, a car by the right wing saying its a liberal mobile. And i am in a toyota prius. I dont know if i can take all the supporters with me, but if you need a ride back, we will take you along. As it the urns out paul does drive a prius and he should be plugging toyota. Its the biggest employer in his state of kentucky. And last month the senator even visited toyotas north american headquarters which is based in erlanger, tennessee. And theres more here than meets the eye. Could rand be trying to make the prius cool . Considering the cross branding going on here, heres our idea of what rand pauls campaign ads might look like. You can call this a crosspromotional parody. This is the car that loves to have fun the car hybrid once upon the time it was the only one lets hum hum hum lets hum a prius for everyone im rand paul and i approved this message. Up next, ted cruz says hes not giving up and thats just fine for democrats. Youre watching hardball, the place for politics. [ male announcer ] this is joe woods first day of work. And his new boss told him two things cook what you love, and save your money. 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The very best argument against obama care is the president s conduct during the first ten days of this shutdown. I mean, look whats happened. The president is using the vast, immense power of the federal government to hurt the American People. Why . In order to win a political argument. What happens then when we turn over some of the most private, intimate decisions in our lives, our Health Care System to the government. When will that be used as a tool against us . We must stop it. We must defund it. We cannot accept it. The Family ResearchCouncil President who hosted the summit called cruz and his band of brothers in the senate the de facto leaders of conservatives and of the Republican Party. Joining me now is joy reid and magg maggie haberman. How do you say hes the fire brand for the right and ive heard this from people like james carville, you want to rile up an audience in the south, hes your man. Hell rile them up. And of course, nationally looking at the statistics, hes doubled his negatives in a brief time. Doubling down and disliking the guy as soon as they know him. Is he a winner or loser inside the Republican Party . I think you have to look at ted cruz as a rise of a tide were seeing of lawmakers in washington who are running on their own brand. And he is not worried so much about the National Party brand. His own, personal brand in his home state is pretty strong. His own personal brand among grassroots activists in the party is strong. What it has done to the National Brand has not been positive. I dont think its particularly of his concern. So i think for what he is worried about which i think is largely about his own image, i think that is going positively. He campaigned in terms of running on defunding obama care, getting rid of obama care. He would say thats what hes doing. However, to your point, his negatives are incredibly high. He is already emerging as a polarizing figure nationally. If he is interested in running, this will come back in a big way. Joy, whos the democrats ted cruz . That is a really good question. I dont think that the democrats have that same kind of, i want to say authoritarian impulse to follow somebody with that kind of fervor. I think youd have to find his equivalent almost in media, not even in politics. Hes sort of a father coughlin figure. He reminds me of palin. Whos a democrat that has that kind of heat . I cant think of any democrat, to be honest with you, that has that kind of fervor behind him. Whats driving it is a sense of alienation. I dont think democrats feel alienated not just from the political leaders but from the society itself. And hes driving a group of people who feel alienated from the larger society, and hes telling them im your guy. Youre right. I dont care who tells you youre wrong. Im your guy and you are right. And theres nothing more seductive than someone telling you youre right. You know, maggie, covering this as an objective reporter and looking at it, there is a real difference in the parties. For years the thought the democrats had gotten cleaned up in their tactics. They dont cheat as much with dirty tactics. Theyve gotten much nicer. Thats hurt them, maybe, but theyve gotten nicer. Theyve lost some of the zealotry. I have to say the Republican Party, it seems like its driven by hatred right now. Hatred of obama. And anything with his name on it. And this guy cruz drums it up really well. He speaks like a spear against the president. I am the hatred of obama in my very flesh. Look at me. This is hatred of obama. Thats why i think they cheer him like mad. Is that a Fair Assessment or too hard . I think the irony of what youre saying in the cruz phenomenon is obama care is what got us here. And obama care was not uniformly popular among democrats as you know. Democrats have been, i think to your point, very united right now against what is happening, against republicans on the hill. And they are very much behind the president. I know a lot of democrats are feeling very angry on the president s behalf feel happy. Do they hate like republicans these days . I dont think they do. I think you are hearing different sets of language. Thats to your point. I think that joys point about how ted cruz has his roots in sarah palin activism and you saw this in the pre2012 campaign with donald trump. I think it is that same level of we are going to take the fight to obama. It is different. I predict next years election when it begins, the president ial campaign will begin right after the congressional. Its going to be about the republicans building their case against Hillary Clinton, benghazi. Thats what the campaign is a negative campaign against her. Her heroically trying to present a positive message from the center. What do you think . I agree. What theyre going to frame it as is Hillary Clinton taking the baton from degradation of barack obama. They have made the person of him the symbol of what they believe is america. And theyre just going to say hes passed the baton to her. And she, too because, listen. I think the womens liberations movements are just as toxic and the visceral rage of people as were those civil rights laws, as were bussing, as were the social changes like affirmative action. As were initially medicare. But now they are on medicare so theyre not against that anymore. But the idea of this universal health care is another slide in their mind towards the horrible society and theyll say shes part of it too. It wouldnt have happened if they won the civil war too. Anyway, thank you. A lot of changes we havent liked. Thank you for coming on. Have a nice weekend, both of you. Up next, shutdown strategy. How republicans will try to get back in the game, if you will, after the devastating new polls by nbc and the wall street journal and how democrats will keep the pressure on if theyre smart and tough enough. And this is hardball, the place for politics. Have sinus p, you feel. Congested. Beat down. Crushed. But sudafed gives you maximum strength sinus pressure and pain relief. So you feel free. Powerful sinus relief. Sudafed. Open up. Weve heard plenty of curious things from texas congressman Louie Gohmert over the years. Here he is at the conservative values voters summit late today going over fellow republican john mccain. I heard just before i came some senator from arizona, a guy that like ed gadhafi before he wanted to bomb him, a guy thats been to syria and supported al qaeda and rebels, but he was saying today the shutdown has been a fools errand. And i agree with him. The president and harry reid should not have shut this government down. 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And republicans take a majority of the blame for the Government Shutdown. 53 versus just 31 who blame the president. Just how bad are those numbers . Peter hart who conducted the survey with republican pollster said quote, if it were not so bad for the country, the result almost make a democrat smile. These numbers lead to one conclusion. Republicans are not tone deaf. They are stone deaf. Republicans now have to dig themselves out of this hole while democrats will try to bury them deeper. Joining me now is tom davis, a former republican congressman from virginia and margie, a democratic pollster. What did you make of ted cruz coming out today and saying the poll wasnt any good . Well, t just nonsense. But you have the look at who hes talking to. These people needed something and you could see from some of the other rhetoric there, trying to lift them up. The major problem is 80 of the members of the republican conference are from districts where romney was 55 or better, so they see themselves as immune regardless of what the polls show. Are they more worried about congressional districts or president ial or lek tral votes . Just looking out for number one. Looking at their own cds. That is a concern. Most president s and to be a president ial party. They love executive authority. They liked john wayne power. Democrats have sort of the lets get together and figure things out. Republicans want to be john wayne. They want that white house so bad. Commander in chief, they want it. And now, theyre agenting like a party that doesnt know how to get it back because theyre focusing on their home states and not the states themselves. The home districts. And whether youre looking at the National Numbers or numbers among republicans, the story is the same. Even ted cruz poll shows more people blame republicans than the president and its not just the nbc poll. Gallup, a greenberg poll out today. They all show the same thing. Last week, there was a poll that showed 60 of republicans want to see republicans compromise. Just as Many Democrats said they want to see democrats compromise. Across the country, people are dissatisfied and disgusted with whats going on. Go ahead. Wup put it this way. Gingrich ran a caucus around the members in marral seats and youd manage yourself around that. Yeah, i think so. The ones out in philadelphia and places like that. According to some democrats, they have a strong weapon. The person of ted cruz. Quote, die hard republicans will consider him their best surrogate and we consider him our best surrogate, too. Whether every he goes though, i think hes a political liableily for all republicans. Is that true . Kind of like a bad guy . Is he won of those pariah that hurts you as a senator . Hurts other senators . He was in virginia last week in a governors race and ken cuccinelli, who earlier in the campaign, said we needed more senators like ted cruz, wouldnt even get on the stage with him. I think that says it all. What do you think cruz said to that . He shows up for the guy, travels there, gives him his weekend, but he doesnt want to stand next to him. Does he just say, i know im hated . How does he absorb that information in bhen they thought about it, dont be seen with this guy. You cant see the poll is wrong if you see a dpi running away from you. But i think its a mistake and obviously, ted cruz is becoming more unpopular. Gallup shows hes become better known at all of that new notoriety is coming from his unfavorable. To know him is to not like him and that is obviously a problem. But i dont think this really should just be about ted cruz. This is about the Republican Party that has been led by this extreme faction. Its not just one person. If its swrus one person, we wouldnt be seeing this, r wouldnt be in a shutdown. Wouldnt be seeing those horrible poll numbers. Back to tom on this question. Think about this. I get the sense the democrats may be a little bit disarmed these days because they have such an obvious villain out there. They begin to relax. We got ted cruz out there singing the bad song everybodys going to come to us. Is there a danger in thinking that . Absolutely. First of all, the election is a year from now and youve got to remember that the president s party loses term seats in a midterm election. Very rarely are there exceptions to that. This will change 100 times over. Theres no question this has been a setback and i think well see it this november. But over time, i dont think the democrats have any reason to feel complacent. Republicans still favored to pick up senate seats. Margie, whats your advice to a democrat running for office now . Should you use ted cruz as a battering ram or poster boy for the Republican Party . Is he useful to the democrats . He is. I would talk about republicans in washington more broadly. I would go in a field with a poll because it will be a good time to have good poll numbers to use down the road for fund raising or recruiting or getting folks on board. I would also point out another piece from the nbc poll that shows in just a month, just since the last poll, theres been a huge uptick in the number of people who feel the economys going to get worse. So this isnt just about republicans. People feel this is really going to hurt the economy. Big news on that front. I talked to a top republican, there are people joining these races for next year right now because they hike the climate, the looks of things. Thank you. Well be right back after this. When you have diabetes like i do, getting the right nutrition isnt always easy. First, i want a way to help minimize my blood sugar spikes. 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