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reagan after the challenger finally employed the symbolic power of the presidency and he did it perfectly. not everyone, mind you, agreed. rush hated it. but for many, it was this president's moment to stand before us as true national leader. that's our top story tonight. compare that with the beautifully staged but strangely self-referenceial videos sent out by sarah palin yesterday. she made the case that when she's talking about bearing arms, she's really talking about citizenship. what's that again? the armed citizen better than the unarmed? well the unemotional -- or rather, the emotional high point of last night for those not ready for the gun toters talk came when the president revealed gabby giffords opened her eyes for the first time. we'll get a firsthand account tonight of that event. also, what makes someone decide to become a political assassin? what connects the dots among anger and guns and targeting a politician? let me finish with this strange root of thought which requires guns and endless reference to thom make your political point. you know what i'm talking about there, the former governor of alaska. let's start with the president's speech. patrick buchanan is the msnbc analyst. and mark penn. let's start with the president. you're an expert on this. you once said on this program and i want to get the context right. that every president looks forward at some point of their presidency to be the president of the people. of all the people. not to be a partisan leader, a government leader. >> i think he rose to the occasion last night. he did it in an extremely sensitive, nonpartisan way. he really reconnected, i think, to the american people. i think he underscored the reason why america elected him as president. >> pat? >> there's no doubt he connected with the american people. it was not eye grand delquent speech but it was a speech by the leader of a family that suffered a tragic loss and he's talking about the decency and the goodness of those who died and the bravery of those who participated. it was outstanding, but, chris, he took us to a very higher level, when he said, look, let's get up away from this partisanship, this pettiness, this politics, and stand on common ground where we can all agree and, frankly, it was an admonition to both sides in this quarrel that we've been having for five days to cool it. and let's come together and in the memories of these folks. >> well, he's got his job and i've got mine, okay? let's take a look at at what president said about finger-pointing, let's listen. >> but what we cannot do is use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on each other. that, we cannot do. as we discuss these issues, let each of us do so with a good dose of humility. rather than pointing fingers or assigning blame. let's use this occasion to expand our moral imaginations, to listen to each other more carefully, to sharpen our instincts for empathy and remind ourselves of all of the ways that our hopes and dreams are bound together. >> you know i want to talk about the president. i think to a larger extents, and mark, you're an expert on this, positioning and politics and what you try to do here as messaging, i know that the president had a job to do for himself last night in his own defense. he started off presidency somewhere around 65% on inaugural day. before we get to the thicket of health care and stimulus packages and financial regulation where it became ideological i think that he was jammed into that position by the republican leaders. but he was a leader. i think last night he regained the footing that he had when he started which is the goodwill of the american people. let's face it, the birthers, they'll never get the top hand or the high ground but they had a ground. they had a case. the constant reference to him as being someone illegitimate, not really our national leader, yet he's a democrat leader, progressive liberal leader but not really a leader of our country. i think that he pushed that back a lot last night. >> i think that he certainly did. look, i think that this president's been on a role since the shellacking and since his trip to korea, he came back. he had some quick political wins. he put the tax thing to bed. agreed to kind of keep taxes low for all americans. then i think he's going about changing his staff, but he's making a lot of changes president clinton made, even though people thought that he wasn't, i think that he absolutely was. >> i think that you're right. pat, if he hadn't done those preliminary things, moves to the center, could he have done what he did last night? would he have had legitimacy there is. >> he still would have done it. you've got to take a look politically at what the president's doing. you said look, i've got my job, he's got his. >> my job is different. >> he's winning by moving up and away from the left wing of his party and moving above if and working with the republicans on the tax deal. bringing in bill daley who can work with republicans. reaching out and last night, he said, we're all in this together. and frankly, the left wing of the democratic party, he has said good-bye and good luck. i'm going to get re-elected. and get back to luster and he's back up to 52%, 53% and it is working transparently it is working. >> the people who do think that he's illegitimate, the birthers out there who think that he's not american. believe he snuck into the country, the real whack jobs ar saying they want to carry guns on capitol hill in the chamber of the house of representatives. so, pat, he hasn't relieved himself of that weird kind of right-wing threat. my position is to trying to keep people honest about that stuff. why didn't the congressman last night congressman gohmert say that? here's a birther, a real live one. saying bring guns on the house floor. i mean this is kind of a weird overlay here. >> look i think -- >> a right-wing thinking, right-wing talking, bring your gun. >> the way that the president's handled it is quite the opposite is bridging back bills such as the assault weapons ban. i would not be surprised if the state of the union does not have, after this incident, something like this assault weapons ban. i think that the president's going to look -- >> you don't know about that. i think that the mood of the country here -- >> on the right. >> -- in terms of the gun that he had and how many bullets that he shot off. >> you mentioned the birthers, truthers and the others -- >> no, i mention the the birpgters. the truthers on the left are just as bad. >> i'll tell you on the right, guys who go out and say somehow because sarah palin put out some silly map that could silly map that could conceivably see, she's morally complicit. they think that the guys like you are birthers. >> they're not saying complicit. they're saying that this should be wrong. that you should not be using target range. you shouldn't say, reload. you shouldn't say, reload. >> let me tell you. >> you shouldn't put your targets. were they targets? >> you shouldn't say second amendment remedies. i agree with you, but let me ask you, who has said second amendment remedies, 1,000 times on the air? >> sharon angle. >> sharon angle said it once. >> why is she using it. >> i agree with you, you would say, look, sharon, don't -- >> because i want it to stop. >> are you inflaming or -- >> i don't know if a person wants to repeat it because i tell them to stop doing it? she yesterday said to bear arms means to vote. do you believe that's a appropriate way are saying, you vote bear arms? >> she said it yesterday. this is like precious bodily fluids in dr. strangelove. you keep bringing up guns. what do guns have to do with the discussion of free speech or free voting. >> what do guns have to -- >> yeah. >> guns are our constitutional right. >> of course. but why bring it up when you're talking about voting. >> look, chris, we have used military metaphors. >> military. these are particular to do with. >> -- what is a campaign. >> i heard that argument and know. there's a particular. we used to use all kinds of sports metaphors. baseball, hardball, horse race. all the way back. and then all of a sudden lately, it's gun play. it's all of a sudden, reload. lock and load. who did that all of the time? you. everybody's doing that. >> i said 1996. >> when what did lock and load mean. >> said up in new hampshire. do you think that i meant that we'll be shooting each other? i said, come on you guys. >> what did you mean? >> i said come and join -- >> that's a warfare reference not a ballistic reference. you're an expert on this. i know that sarah palin as of yesterday will not pull away from the gun reference. why doesn't she just say a little less talk about guns at this point would be nice. >> let's remember -- >> that's all she has to say. >> let's remember they're republicans. >> will you not talk about guns. cross hairs. she called them bull's-eyes. >> why she doesn't say it. >> why. >> because she thinks her advarieses are not acting in good faith. they want an apology to rub her name in the dirt when she did nothing wrong, chris, she did nothing wrong. >> let's get to the president. why did she put gabrielle giffords in the bull's eye? >> it was a put the district -- >> i don't know. >> okay, that's fair. >> lets get to -- look, two issues here. number one, the republicans on the right get a lot of support from people that own guns. >> it's not go gun ownership voting in our democracy. >> but second the real thing here is that sarah palin put out an awful video that was way out of step with the country and really did herself a rot of damage. >> pat? >> i think that sarah palin was winning this battle before the video came out. i don't -- i think the whole video is fine but i do think they've used selected excerpts. >> juxtapose. take a look at the president that has nothing do with guns, it has to do with the future of the country. let's lift plane? she was off to meet her congresswoman. someone she was sure was good and important. and might be a role model. she saw all this through the eyes of a child. undimmed by the cynicism or vitreal that we adults all too often just take for granted. i want to live up to her expectations. i want our democracy to be as good as christina imagined it. i want america to be as good as she imagined it. all of us. we should do everything we can do to make sure this country lives up to our children's expectations. >> well, that's of course his tribute to the loss really of honoring the loss of christina taylor green. of course i identify only because dallas green, her grandfather was our pitcher and our manager in philadelphia for all of those years. he has some public recognition but that is irrelevant to the situation here. what do you think about that? rush limbaugh trashed him completely for that today. >> i wouldn't say that at all. i mean, she came to that to kind of see how government works and i think that he really encapsulated both the child's feelings and i think made it almost heroic in nature and i think really did you know -- i think did a wonderful thing in that particular clip. >> yeah as you said he's got his job, he did it well. that was a beautiful thing. that is a statement that everybody, even the birthers, truthers, and you and me could stand and say, that's well done, it's a wonderful thing he said about that little girl. he did his job. >> well above politics. >> yeah. well, thank you, gentlemen. >> thank you. >> pat you and i disagree, as we should or wouldn't be working here anymore. thank you pat buchanan and mark penn. coming up president obama broke the news last night of a miracle moment and that's congresswoman giffords had opened her eyes. there is hope here for recovery. we'll see how much. everybody wants 100%. when we return we'll talk to nancy pelosi, who was there at bedside the other night. and deborah wasserman schultz our other very good friend. they were in the hospital room. they'll tell us what happened here on "hardball." coming up next, you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. e thes with stelara®. for adults, stelara® helps control moderate or severe plaque psoriasis with 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. in a medical study, 7 out of 10 stelara® patients saw at least 75% clearer skin at 12 weeks. and 6 out of 10 patients had their plaque psoriasis rated as cleared or minimal at 12 weeks. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and increase your risk of infections. some serious infections require hospitalization. before starting stelara®, your doctor should test for tuberculosis. stelara® may increase your risk of cancer. always tell your doctor if you have any sign of infection, or have had cancer. alert your doctor of new or worsening problems including headaches, seizures, confusion and vision problems. these may be signs of a rare, potentially fatal brain condition. serious allergic reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you or anyone in your house needs or has recently received a vaccine. with 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses, it's stelara®. wow, reality. today in tucson, the first of six funerals for those killed in saturday's rampage. family, friends and loved ones gathered for a mass for 9-year-old christina green. she went to the event saturday because of her budding interest in politics. look at that little casket. she was born september 11th, 2001. 9/11. and in her honor, the largest flag recovered from the world trade center site was brought to the funeral unfurled and flown outside of the church. we'll be right back. trouble getting around, i thought, end of the line... i was headed to a nursing home. well, i'm staying in my own home now, because we chose hoveround! hoveround's compact round design makes it easier for you to maneuver through the tight spaces in your home. and best of all, 9 out of 10 people pay little or nothing for their hoveround, so call now and you can be the next to pay... zero...i paid nothing for the unit at all. and now only from hoveround, every power chair includes a handy tote bag, so you'll always have access to your favorite items and this sturdy cup holder, so your favorite beverage can ride along with you! the folks at hoveround really thought of everything. that's why i called them and so should you. call them right now! get your free dvd kit by going to hoveround.com. a few minutes after we left her room and some of her colleagues were in the room, gabby opened her eyes for the first time. gabby opened her eyes for the first time. she knows we are here. she knows we love her and she knows that we are rooting for her through what is undoubtedly going to be a difficult journey. >> welcome back to "hardball." when congresswoman giffords opened her eyes in the hospital yesterday for the first time, two of her house colleagues were in the room with her. congresswoman debra wasserman schultz and of course nancy pelosi. i spoke with both of those congresswoman just a bit earlier, earlier in the day. let's watch. congresswoman, you were in with your colleague last night. in that hospital room with gabrielle giffords. what are your feelings and memories of that moment and what you saw? >> chris, my heart, our hearts, myself, speaker pelosi, kirsten gillibrand, our hearts were just bursting with the joy of being able to be with our friend gabby, to see her, to be with mark and her parents, and then to be able to talk to her and have our -- her hearing our voice, help her to make progress. just in talking to her, encouraging her to get back on her feet as soon as possible and you know, come share the good times that we've enjoyed with her, that's when she started to open her eyes and respond to us and it was just absolutely incredible. mark started to tell her, gabby, if you can see me, give me the thumbs-up sign. he encouraged and pushed her to do that. she kept opening her eyes a little more and more and suddenly, her arm went up and she touched his arm and his ring as he asked her, chris, i -- i -- we were all overcome with emotion. it was incredible. >> we've got democratic leader madam speaker, rather madam leader, thank you for joining us. nancy pelosi is with us as well. give us -- give us your memories of last night. >> well, i think that congresswoman wasserman schultz has said it so well. it was a thrill just to be in the room to see our gabby just fighting the way she was to bring love and prayers from members of congress and people throughout the country. were telling her an inspiration she was. that people throughout the world were by her bedside and we the privilege of actually being there. congresswoman wasserman schultz described what happened. i would just say that what a joy it was for me to see you know the power of prayer, the excellent care that she had. the girl power, you know, i was there. with her parents. watching like mark, to urge her on and the rest and debbie and kirsten, they're all girlfriends. to see the girl power of this new generation of young leaders talking about what they were going to do when she got back to d.c. and the rest, it really, really was fabulous. we each took turns holding her hand and expressing our love and prayers to her. but she really rallied and i really think that the president's visit probably contributed to her strength and enthusiasm because president obama and mrs. obama were in the room shortly before we were in there. but i would say -- and i think that the person, the senator gillibrand and congresswoman wasserman schultz there's a few things ever in our life that will compare to being in that room. >> that's view? when our gabby opened her eyes. and you know, they're blue, blue eyes, so there's no mistaking that they were open. they're beautiful. and it was thrilling. >> let me get back to congresswoman wasserman schultz. and i know, you as individuals, i can only imagine -- only imagine what you're like when you're all together. but -- and we're not around. guys aren't around. let me ask you about the tone. i know. i sense a tonal change. i've watched it from speaker boehner and others, not that a tragedy is not in any way good, but is there a possible positive reaction to it? based upon what i heard from the president last right in, what we all heard. what we're hearing from the republican side, not everybody, is there a positive note here that's coming out of this? congresswoman? >> you know i know that gabby would hope with all her heart that if there was any good that could come out of a tragedy like this it would be that we adopt a more civil tone and that even though we disagree and we'll continue to disagree vigorously that we lead by example and hopefully encourage people by leading by example to dial back the rhetoric, to use -- we could use vigorous language without treating our opponents like the enemy. and if that's the result of this, and then what president obama said in his speech last night about making our democracy live up to the expectations of the next generation and of christina green, that would just be amazing. >> well, madam speaker, madam leader -- i keep calling you madam speaker, maybe i will in the near future. that's far by. >> don't put too far back on the shelf. >> you grew up in a political family and i worked in politics. there was a time when people like reagan and tippett could actually be friends after work at night, even if they disagreed 100 degrees, 180 degrees. are we ever going to get back to that again? >> well, i just don't know how good of friends they were. but if you say so then i accept that. i don't think it's a question of being friends. of course we're friends. we respect each other because we represent the people who sent each of us here, but i do think that what congresswoman wasserman schaulgts was saying about tone is important. he was inspired by gabby and he had her success and christina and the others -- the source of strength in his message. he said it best. i don't have his exact words here, but we honor them. the sacrifices of those families, those who were lost, the fight that debbie is making to raise the level of debate to make it worthy of them. and this is an opportunity for that to happen. it doesn't mean that we will not -- that we'll change our views on issues, and it doesn't mean that we won't fight to make the distinctions between us very clear. it's just that other step of vitriol, of really, we have an obligation to reduce and i think gabby as an example, those families with their suffering, the president with his leadership and inspiration, i think again, it was a transformational evening and let's see where we go from here, but i think it can really be the turning of a corner. i really do believe that. >> okay thank you very much, madam leader. thanks for coming on. >> thank you. >> and thank you of course as always congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz our good friend on this show and thank you again, leader pelosi. >> thank you, chris. we'll be right back after this. back to "hardball." time for the "sideshow." first up, rudy giuliani stirs the pot. america's mayor took on new jersey governor chris christie a political ally for staying on family vacation last month while a major snowstorm walloped his state. here's rudy on "morning joe." >> chris should have come back. i mean if you ask me my advice. >> yeah. >> i would have say they elect you governor. they got an emergency. they expect you to be there. you know? you've got to be there if you are a governor, a mayor, or even a president. >> what a sweetheart. chris christie knows shrinking violet himself hit back on fox yesterday. >> you have taken a little bit of hit from rudy giuliani who said you did it wrong. >> well, he's wrong. i mean, he's wrong. it's easy when you're out of office to be shooting from the peanut gallery when you have no responsibility but i have a responsibility to my family. >> peanut gallery. one of the howdy doody kids. in the peanut gallery. give this round to christie. next, tom delay cries foul. the former house majority leader was sentence,ed this week to three years of prison after a jury convicted him on charges of using soft money as hard money. if you don't know what that means you may wonder why it's a crime. well, delay certainly does wonder. >> i was tried in the most liberal county in the state of texas, indeed in the united states, getting -- getting a jury it's foreman of the jury was a greenpeace activist. so i'm not criticizing the jury. the point is that this is a political campaign. >> i'm not sure about this case. they used the charge designed for drug dealers. is any other politician ever been prosecuted under this law? and some hit john boehner for missing last night's memorial service out in tucson and attending instead of a republican fund-raiser. well, what no one reported is that boehner was at a bipartisan house vigil yesterday. he koontz had been at the vigil back in washington, also caught that plane out to arizona. good point. in his favor. now for tonight's "big number." we've got a 2012 milestone. herman cane, tea partier, radio host and former ceo of godfather's pizza has just announced he's forming a presidential explore tory committee. that makes mr. cane, 2012's first official presidential candidate. one case i suspect were the early bird will not catch the worm. herman cain, number one, number one out of gate. family-sized, pizza-size big number. up next, sarah palin's sticking to her guns, literally. she's kept up her loose talk about guns but is she talking to anyone other than her base? you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. here's what's happening. police in arizona have recovered a black bag containing ammunition. it's believed to be the one discarded by the suspect in saturday's deadly attack. meanwhile the astronaut has been of congresswoman giffords the usda is floating a proposal in overhauling school lunches. cut the amount of sodium by half. temperatures still below zero in the southeast. in brazil, the death toll has risen to nearly 400 and the worst flooding and mudslides ever recorded there. leave behind a thick nasty sludge and billions of dollars in damage. in business news chipmaker intel reported quarterly earnings topping what will go down as the best year ever for intel. now let's take you back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." late today "the new york times" reports that sarah palin will sit down for a real live interview, with guess, who fox's sean hannity on monday night. that'll be a tough one. the big question remains, will she put an end to her ballistic messaging? david corn with mother jones and politician daily and jonathan alter. msnbc political analyst author of "the promise" now on paperback. gentlemen, thank you. let me ask you about the two questions, sort of act one and two of nancy pelosi. her endless referencing to guns, gun play, ballistics, bull's eyes, and everything like that and in every way that she presents herself, doing it again yesterday in that crazy thing of hers where she talked about to arm, to bear arms is another way of saying voting. she can't talk without a gun in a sentence, like rudy giuliani couldn't talk about 9/11 in a sentence. what's her problem? here's the video, a piece of it. >> we know violence isn't the answer. when we take up our arms we're talking about our vote. >> we take up arms. why does she talk like that? talk like that? >> she is talking to a very tightly confined and defined base. she's in a bubble. she's in a bunker. you know these it's people who >> some guy sit in an igloo somewhere holding a shotgun listening to her on television. >> no, no, but there are 10, 20, 30 million americans who define themselves almost foremost as being gun right -- >> and therefore citizens. >> and therefore citizens. and she's working -- >> something that we're learning. >> and she's work and the amazing thing is that in the week that we've had and we see compared to what the president did, when she had a chance to get beyond -- to take an inch step beyond her natural political base, she couldn't do it. >> i don't know and we had pat on there, nobody can explain the bull's eye language, relentless, relentless, john alder great to have you on. we're looking at the target range here. the 20 democrats she targeted. by the way 18 of them were defeated, two are alive, still. but here's what's going on here, obviously. what's going on is this strange -- actually alive. here's a strange thing about her. bull's eyes, targets, the whole thing, cross hairs, and then coming out and having her people on glenn beck i guess is one of her people denying that saying that these are surveyor's messages or something and comes out using the word bull's eye, is she able to backtrack on any of this, ballistic language all of the time. >> i don't think so and from her perspective i can see why she wouldn't. i don't see that she's in a bunker. i think that she's pursuing a very clear strategy to win the republican nomination for president if she decides to run. and then she can worry about getting independent voters in the general election later. look, chris, where we are right now in our politics, it's almost impossible to be too far right for republican primary voters in presidential elections. for those iowa caucuses. i can remember being out there in 1988 when pat robertson nearly won the iowa caucuses. they are extremely conservative. so, when people say this is an indication she's not really running for president because she would have appealed more broadly, i don't think that's right. i think there's a very decent shot that she's going to throw her hat in the ring. >> you say conservative. i would say right wing. is there a difference? >> i would say reactionary. a word that has fallen out of fashion. it was used a lot in the '50s and '60s. but i think that it fits that part of the republican party. i don't agree with some of my colleagues who call them conservative populous. i don't think much populous about it in a classic sense. >> i think that a conservative populous would be in the blood comment. appeals to people who feel grieved. here's from yesterday's eight-minute video. let's listen. >> especially within hours of a tragedy unfolding. journalists and pundits should not manufacturer a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence that they purport to condemn. >> you know, i think i'm trying to think of a metaphor for this. of understanding. if you had a fire like the chicago fire, the san francisco fire, the earthquake, you'd probably come out of it, not sure what caused the fire, but you'd probably be careful about fire regs from then on. there's nothing unusual about the tendency that the americans after this shooting and killing of those people to be a little careful about the use of language about guns. it's not like you're saying she's guilty from somehow pulling the trigger, putting a contract out on this congresswoman, nobody's saying that. it's this environment of constantly talking about hostility and guns together. >> it's buy. the rhetoric of violence. >> yes. >> and using violent rhetoric when you had house republicans have a rally with tea party people and they are shouting nazis, nazis at democrats. it doesn't mean that they really think -- that the house leaders think that they're nazis but they're creating an environment in which you know stupid people might do stupid things. that doesn't mean that jared loughner did anything because of what sarah palin did. >> we don't know yet. >> we don't know but when an act of violence it does give us a moment -- >> before we get into this exoneration of everybody on the air, all we know now, john alter is that this guy stalked a u.s. member of congress. went to a meeting, got into an argument with her, went back to the meeting obviously keeping up with her website or whatever, knew when her meetings were, knew when where they were. very in tune of her political role. he didn't just walk into a supermarket and start shooting people. he went to a political event with a target in mind. it's an assassination attempt. you've got to stop walking away from this and saying this has nothing do with politics. clearly to some degree he is nuts. his political motivation is unclear right there. let's leave it there. blood libel, why would she say a word like that? i thought she had some people around her with some sophistication. some knowledge of what that term might mean in history, and wouldn't use it, but she did. >> i mean what it means historically is accusing jews of killing christians and using their blood to make matzoh. literally where it comes from. and it's been one of the worst things that you can possibly do to a jew anywhere in the world for hundreds of years. terms of language. >> where you think sean hannity will help her get out of this tomorrow night. >> of course he is. all of these guys have been closing ranks. she's even found some jewish conservatives to say, oh it's not that bad what she said. look, sarah palin is right, that it was unfair to directly connect her to this terrible incident. there's just no evidence to connect her. but when she gets all hot under the collar about people mentioning her role in contributing to this political climate, she is ignoring the fact that gabby giffords, who has more credibility on these issues than anybody right now, why not msnbc in march of last year and specifically called out palin. >> let's watch. let's watch in connecting rod. here it is, here is here gabrielle giffords on march 25th of last year. let's listen to what she said. >> we really need to realize that the rhetoric and the firing people up, and you know, even things, for example, we're on sarah palin's targeted list, but the thing is that the way that she has it depicted is the cross hairs of a gun site over our district. when people do that they've got to realize there are consequences to that action. >> so palin is saying that it's like out of bounds for those of us in the media to be connecting her in any way to this story. well, giffords, herself, brought palin into the story. so palin's just trying to get her supporters to hate the media and blame the liberal media. and all of the rest of it. >> fair enough. >> the other side of the blood libel insult is that it was used precisely to incite and justify violence. it wasn't just a charge that people made it. was used to justify -- against the jews. you ask why did her advisers not stop her from using it. my question is why did she not. even if she didn't know what it meant historically, to use the word blood, which you know -- which comes out of a ballistic language, why did she not say, wait a second, guys, why don't we dial it back a little bit. >> let me suggest something to you. this candidate for president, perhaps, has a lot of attractive features about her. she's very well spoken in the way that she speaks, she knows how to turn on a crowd, give a speech and most politicians that i've lived with all my life, walter mondale and mcgovern and all, can't do what she does on the stomp. shef but let's assume that the president of the united states pals around with terrorists, when she says he's got death panels, she knows what she's doing. when she uses terms like blood libel, don't tell me she would be offended. she'd like to get to that dangerous area far right to sew the seeds of true anger. she knows how to take a grievance and turn it into true antipathy and anger. your thought, last word, john. i think that she knows what she's doing. >> oh absolutely and i think that she's also quite brilliant in playing the victim. look all of this is helping her with her base. this is not taking any credibility at all away from sarah palin with the people that she's focused on right now. so we can all say, oh wring our hands about sarah palin. she is kind of laughing all the way to the political bank on this one. >> well said. thank you, david corn. and although we have to wonder what that bank is. it could be the presidency of the united states. at least the republican victory in places like iowa, jonathan alter, as always, thank you. david corn, thank you. up next, what makes someone become -- now this is serious business, beyond politics, this is into lethal behavior. what becomes a person to become an assassin. so far about the reality of this case. 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[ male announcer ] ask your doctor if cialis for daily use is right for you. for a 30-tablet free trial offer, go to cialis.com. president obama's state of the union message is set for january 25th and in the interest of unity, one u.s. senator wants to end the tradition of members of congress sitting on their various political parties' aisle. during the address at least. mark udall it is the partisan seating arrangements, democrats on one side republicans on the other has become a symbol to television viewers it looks like congressman's quote bitterly divided by party. made his proposal to letter of parties to both members of congress. we're back. jared lee loughner's fixation with u.s. congresswoman's gabrielle giffords dates back to 2007, when he asked her a nonsensical question and was unhappy with her answer. he saved the letter from her office, thanking him for attending that 2007 event. and safe in his home contained an envelope with handwritten notes that read "my assassination" i planned ahead and then giffords' name. what makes someone become a political assassin? it's a big question. it is very appropriate to find out if what we can, and what role does the political messaging on the airwaves perhaps play in it in terms of atmospherics? candice delong is a former fbi criminal profiler and a former psychiatric nurse and dr. nancy snyderman is an msnbc chief medical editor. let's go to both. first of all, let me go to candice first of all. what do you make of this? is there any sign or any -- what are the three points somebody who is mentally disturbed 37 they go to a gun. they take the gun and they shoot a politician. how do you -- what is that all about, that connection? >> well, in this case, based on what we know about his writings and his behavior and troubles that he's had the last five years at college, it appears that he may be suffering from what we call a thought disorder, a primary thought disorder, schizophrenia and what that means is he is guided by -- by -- he hears voices and he believes in a delusion very strongly. he believes in something that has no basis in in fact. he targeted this particular woman, it this woman who has a certain amount of power. and he really wasn't that secret about his craziness. he found it difficult to keep it under wraps. and i'm guessing that he believed in his delusion that she was a danger to him. and that he needed to destroy her. >> any way of knowing, until he gets interrogated, to what extent ideology played? >> if he is as sick as i think he is, schizophrenia, and not taking medication, he probably would not be able to verbalize very well beyond a few words at a time before his thought breaks off into something else. what was going on? he was dangerous saturday. when he approached her two years ago, as you just mentioned, that might have been a nonlethal approach. he might have been armed. he probably was, to see how close he could get to her. 75% of political assassins that are successful are not delusional. 25% are. >> okay. thank you. let's go to dr. nancy snyderman. last night i got a call from a very guy who was sound in his argument. he said, i'm bipolar and under treatment and i take the medicines. but he said, i should never be allowed to buy a weapon in a weapons store. i shouldn't be allowed to do that. he was very sound. but he said, we don't pay enough attention to people who are mentally ill. when you pass someone who seems to be schizophrenic. at the new york port authority, the old joke is they're talking to themselves. >> we walk right by them. if someone's creepy can of we walk by them and don't try to engage them in conversation. there's no doubt, if you look at the interaction with school mates and separate family members, there is this unbelievably striking and horrific pattern of a downhill spiral. what we haven't heard is from any health care professional so far. the idea that he's delusional and might be schizophrenic all make sense to us. we don't have a firm diagnosis yet. during the reagan administration, we slashed funding to mental health in this country. and we have not given as much attention to mental health as we have to every other cancer, every other problem that might affect the body. we've almost disassociated the brain from the rest of the body. there's a hell of a stigma with mental health. people don't talk about their mental ill sibling or crazy aunt or uncle. therein lies the problem. you have the black hole of a school not being able to do anything. parents probably trying to deal with an adult kid who may or may not be taking his medications. we the same conversation with virginia tech. we'll probably have it again. >> there were times in the '40s and '50s where we didn't have this crazy polarizations. the '60s were brutal and early '70s. so many people were shot and killed then. are the atmosphereicks a discernible role? >> i think there is. their brain can be a fertile ground for suggestion. part of the characteristic of schizophrenia is that everything seems to be negative. the voices don't tell them nice things and say, you look great today. the voices say, go polish your gun and kill someone. >> sound thinking here. thank you so much, dr. nancy snyderman and candace delonge for giving us that special insight. when we return, why i think sarah palin isn't giving up her talk of guns. you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. let me finish tonight with a you go next if you had a let me finish tonight with a remembrance. before we forget, let's get it clear why sarah palin placed herself in the problem area. her tendency is to pose each of her political stands as a grievance. there's nothing new in this. it worked before. richard nixon -- and i'm no nixon hater -- was very good at it. he knew millions of americans felt cut out by the elite. they write for the big newspapers and live in the elite neighborhoods and watch public channels and look down on those they view you as the little people clinging to their guns and religion watching regular television shows. i get all that. sometimes i feel that myself, more than you'd think for someone who's had my advantages. governor palin speaks of death panels and accuses of president of palling around with terrorists and paints the other side as evil. she defendants her use of gun talk and telling people to reload is somehow essential to getting the message across. while we take up arms, we're talking about our votes. that's quite a statement. let's hear that again. firearms are a way of saying political power. citizenship and gun ownership carry the same meaning. a musket is a way of expressing your citizenship. why not talk about something else? could it be there is something about armed force and guns this is central to the tea party movement? all the people wearing guns to rallies and wearing guns on the floor of the u.s. house of representatives by the congressman from texas.

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