and farther and farther. at the same time, i think we need to have an understanding of how political power in russia works. taking the yacht doesn't mean he's going to get on the phone or go to putin and say, hey, mr. president, you need to end this war because they took my yacht. it doesn't work that way. same with mr. peskov and all these people. they don't have that power to influence putin because putin enriched them. they're rich because of putin, not the other way around. so they need to be done, and hopefully over time you'll have such a meltdown of the economy that putin will be forced to reconsider, but the idea that you sanction an oligarch and an oligarch tells putin to end the war, it won't work that way, not in the short-term. >> what do you make of today's phone call between putin and president macron of france who says that the worst is yet to come? >> i think we should begin to