where we are by that time. it could be that if there's a military option putin wants to take, maybe this is when he'll take it. >> mike, let me go to you. jim, stand by a second. one of the things, and we alluded to this just before we listened to john kirby here, the different press segt, one for the white house, jen psaki, saying ukraine, being less dark than does the view from the united states, and the assessment the u.s. made about putin's capabilities and assessment of the threat level here. how are they threading this needle, mike? what has the response been? >> it's been interesting what the reporting's been from our whole team in ukraine where the move is certainly on alert but less concern. this is because they've been dealing with the threat of russia for decades. this is not new necessarily for ukrainian allies. but it is interesting as the