individuals, particularly in the african-american community. >> you talked about how the senate, in your view, they need to step up and do their jobs. there's obviously pressure on the democratic side, manchin and sinema, as we talk on this network and others here. you met with sinema before that one day to meet the senate rules. do you believe she heard your message in good faith? >> whether she heard it is one thing. what we're going to do about it is another. we met with others and said the same thing over and over. this is about protecting our constitution and our democracy, and we have been placed in a container of partisanship that should not be. the question of procedures rule stopping, the question of constitutional rights shouldn't even be on the table. they just make the adjustment at the end of the year to increase the debt ceiling by 51 votes. why are we here now?