that. the white house hasn't given any of that. but it does look like it is -- it is real trouble here to get it done by christmas. the point is when they put a dead line on lawmakers, they do that to try to force them into action. senators don't make choices until they have to, okay. and by putting a deadline on it, trying to force his colleagues, his 49 democratic colleagues into taking a stand. the problem is, with manchin, took a stand against him. so that is a problem for schumer. that is what he fiss. and it doesn't get any easier in january. there is a bad inflation report in january. does that help democrats or the president? i don't think it gets easier as the calendar runs into the election year. >> so, saw hill where is manchin holding out and what are folks telling you?