fewer things would be included in this package, and so it is going to be a very tense days of negotiations after they vote to lift this debt limit, hallie? >> you have laid this out in punch bowl news today, the path forward are more programs for less money, shorter duration, fewer programs for more money, some kind of mix of both. feels like we're heading into mix of both territory, no? >> yeah, hallie. i don't know what they're doing. we don't know what they're doing because this is all happening behind the scenes here. so let's just -- let's take a -- let's take a pause for one second. pelosi last night said she wants to do fewer programs for more money and today she said she wants to shrink the duration of the programs that she is using. those are in conflict. those are two different ideas in my estimation. >> i can just jump in, i know you hate -- i hate interrupting you and you're only my friend so i feel like i can do this to you and it is okay. drew hamill, who folks know as somebody who is very close and