>> geoff, from the white house perspective here, obviously, we talked earlier about the enormous success of this air lift over the last couple of days, but also the president and some of his democratic allies have talked about the fact that they knew this was going to be messy. there's no good way to end a war and to get everyone out. he has taken a ton of flack in the press, from republicans, from some democrats, for the nature of this. how does the white house -- they put the president out there a little bit. one short news conference. he has done one full-length interview about afghanistan. how do they feel they are shaping the way that americans think about this withdrawal and the possibility that this could get ugly, that it could remain -- it's a war. like a real flesh and blood war until the bitter end. >> and there are a range of unintended consequences when you try to wind down a 20-year war. it's a great question that you ask. the white house would make the