>> i remember asking, did we make a mistake? there were just way too many trees. here's the other thing, and i think we'll discuss this with the board when we have zoom. >> my name is marie ziravo, i'm 65. i'm the president at four seasons total landscaping in philadelphia. we do grounds maintenance and irrigation, seeding, flowers, snow removal. it's kind of boring. >> i think the most challenging part of starting the business and being in business is being woman owned. nobody took you serious. you own the property. you have cameras. my whole other maintenance man, on other properties, they