of a crime and the part of the crime is that he kind of stood by while mike pence's almost hung by a -- >> that's what i said about mike pence -- >> no, but it was an interesting moment. i want to ask you, david, we're all talking about important moments of the debate, important to analyze, will we still be talking about the debate a week from now, anything from the debate? >> i don't think so, given the events of we're tomorrow facing. i think will be interesting what pulling this from ramaswamy. i think we'll see a bump from him because he's giving margaret nation exactly what they want. it would not surprise me if donald trump tweeted some encouraging words. i think the most revealing thing about tonight was how unsettled the abortion issue within the republican party. it was a disaster for them. ron desantis, if he is truly number two, which he may not be tomorrow, still cannot answer a question about a national ban. and even when he left the stage, did a one-on-one sit down with sean hannity tonight, hannity pressed him on it, and he couldn't answer. >> the thing about this