might be that ramaswamy is coming up and that haley is coming up, i think there are four candidates, throw pence in there. look, nikki haley and pence showed the strength of experience, kind of a steady hand, pence still probably out of touch with most republican super voters. but it's always hard, even with all the experience at this table, to transport yourself to the low to medium information voter. and i think what they heard from desantis is exactly what they wanted to hear from desantis tonight, even though it was awkward, just as they did from vivek. >> you know this reminds me a little bit, was ted cruz in 2016, totally -- >> that's not a comparison anyone wants. >> ted cruz finished a strong second last time, a distant second, but a clear second. he did better than jab. but ron desantis was saying the things that maga people like, a bit awkwardly, delivering his talking points, but he was serviceable. >> i just want to play this soros clip, where he talks about soares. because the thing about desantis is he kind of feels like he has a mad libs or bingo list of words he supposed to