figure in the debate, for good or for ill, i don't think he did himself favors in terms of people liking him. he took up the most airtime, he seemed like a snappy podcast host and everybody else was his guest. i thought like it seem like he's running to be jesse waters fill, and a fox news host commentator. >> trying to get a word in. he seemed like a banterer more than a policy maker. i think maybe rivaling the most important moment was need to defend mike pence who was the target for political assassinations for january 6th. when christie said that he read the constitution and abided by it is to be celebrated. i think -- and i took my notes, the whole thing was riveting. the idea that even for that audience, they aren't choosing from anyone on the stage to be the nominee of the party, that is something to keep in mind, even for them that wasn't everything on the menu. right?