the anchor is that he is an entertainer. >> absolutely. >> ramaswamy attempted to do showman piece of it, but he also was, i think, exposed as being paper thin. he really does not seem like somebody who you would want to trust with the nuclear codes, but has the entertainment value without trump there, it's suck the entertainment air out and because trump is injected that so deeply into the party, if you can't perform that it's for the reason that the sentence underwhelmed's, he has never been good at that. i think what people don't understand, he was defeated soundly by andrew gillum and in the debates. he was outplayed, outmatched. even charlie crist defeated him in the bag. in florida, that's not what you need to win, you just need to be a republican. and all he needed to win the election was 1.3 million people to not vote because they didn't bother. he never has had a political talent, but you don't need it. >> i do feel there is an issue on whether there's a vision.