because their basic politics agrees with trump's in terms of trying to deal with the country the way it used to be and many of the movements that pushed it in many different ways. but as we said tonight, unfortunately we input laws and legislations that would cement the way we had moved the country. and then when they could stack the supreme court, they were able to just flip affirmative action, flip women's right to choose. and trump was doing this and playing saint. the man went into the white house and hung in the oval office a picture of andrew jackson. no one saw this man was the biggest slave owner, racist in american history. why would donald trump put that picture up? he is telling you this is what i'm about. no one objected to that. i think going to the debates -- i thought i'd be president, i went to the debates to go against andrew jackson, stand up for jesse jackson kind of politics. i think that is what we are not debating in this country. we are dealing, we are letting them reduce us to the personality of donald trump rather than what this country is going to stand for. >> again, if this were a normal debate, you know, the expert we've got the at the table is mehdi hassan. hasse -- mehdi, you got a remarkable resume when it comes to debating in the most important forums in the world. you had a tv show in the in which that's what you actually did. if people were to read your book and try to determine how to be a good debater, what with the success of that look like in this particular debate? because nobody seems to be wanting to make policy points